Which State has the best gun laws?

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I was under the impression that the privilege of buying,owning,using a suppressor was granted by proper agency of us govt (ATF) after ludicrous amts of paperwork and a fairly reasonable fee. Am I mistaken in this? Do states have the right to override federal law in a way that seems arbitrary?

I never looked into it but I'm pretty sure that you could not have a suppressor in Illinois. I was an IL resident a while ago.
 
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I was under the impression that the privilege of buying,owning,using a suppressor was granted by proper agency of us govt (ATF) after ludicrous amts of paperwork and a fairly reasonable fee. Am I mistaken in this? Do states have the right to override federal law in a way that seems arbitrary?

1: States to not have rights. They have powers.
2: State law can be more restrictive than federal law, provided said state law is not unconstitutional.
3: Define arbitrary. I fail to see anything arbitrary in this situation.

Possession of a suppressor in VT is a civil violation, punishable by a $25 fine. Since suppressors are not weapons (arms), but accessories, they are not covered by Article 16 of the Vermont Constitution.

The law was written during the Great Depression as an attempt to cut down on poaching, which remains a problem in VT. One can tell by the class of crime and the low penalty that it is a fairly archaic law.

While I'd like for the law to be overturned, I doubt that will happen, unless the NFA is also overturned.
 
What is also nice about KY is you can carry a loaded gun in a factory installed compartment in your car, meaning glove box, center console, etc. without a CCDW.
Glove box is legal, but center console is not!

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Glove box is legal, but center console is not!

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Center console is very legal:

KRS 527.020(8):

"A loaded or unloaded firearm or other deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in any enclosed container, compartment, or storage space installed as original equipment in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer, including but not limited to a glove compartment, center console, or seat pocket, regardless of whether said enclosed container, storage space, or compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism."

It went into effect June 8th this year.
 
Is this sarcasm? The Peoples Republic of California is the worst place for gun ownership outside N Korea or Cuba.
I'd rather have guns in California than in New Jersey. At least there are plenty of places to shoot.
Also, California does require you to wait 10 days when buying a gun, but you don't have to apply for permission.
 
Center console is very legal:

KRS 527.020(8):

"A loaded or unloaded firearm or other deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in any enclosed container, compartment, or storage space installed as original equipment in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer, including but not limited to a glove compartment, center console, or seat pocket, regardless of whether said enclosed container, storage space, or compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism."

It went into effect June 8th this year.

Thanks I did not know that! Great to learn new things.

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No mention of PA?

I've been a gun owner in Pennsylvania for 10 years now, and I haven't had any problems. Getting my CWP was a breeze, and cost less than $50. The local sheriff seems to be enthusiastic about issuing CWP. Although, I have heard some counties give a hassle. Also, I have yet to run into a firearm or accessory that has been banned at the state level here.
 
I'd rather have guns in California than in New Jersey. At least there are plenty of places to shoot.
Also, California does require you to wait 10 days when buying a gun, but you don't have to apply for permission.
We have a lot of places to shoot here, and once you get your FID card, buying long guns is a breeze. Yes, handguns are a bit of a hassle, but at least we don't have to disassemble our ARs to reload and we can get 15 round magazines.


As far as the best state, it would have to be VT, NH, or Alaska.
 
Vermont gets my vote. Only gun law I know makes it illegal to carry a gun while commiting a crime. NY, DC, MA are the worst. California will make that list soon. :banghead:
 
I do think that having places to legally, and safely shoot should be part of the equation.

If you live in a state that has very liberal (;)) gun laws, but you are restricted to shooting them at ranges, then I suggest that your laws are not that good.

We all know California has some of the worse gun laws in the nation. But, it has a fair amount of public land too. It isn't too bad of a state to find a place to go shooting. Travel to the northeastern part of the state and you could shoot to your heart's content.

Being able to own guns with a minimal amount of government intrusion is nice. But, it is also nice being able to get out and shoot those guns.
 
The big problem with living in the southwest US, (does not include Kali) is that the gun grabbers from NY and CA ,and other commie states, are buying up all the property they can, and then trying to make our laws match the ones that they are trying to escape.
 
The big problem with living in the southwest US, (does not include Kali) is that the gun grabbers from NY and CA ,and other commie states, are buying up all the property they can, and then trying to make our laws match the ones that they are trying to escape.
Agreed... Why can't these Yankees just stay there or at least not bring their morally corrupt ways with them down here?

This sort of excrement is the reason that there is a hockey team in Houston, San Antonio, and Dallas!
 
"Center console is very legal:

KRS 527.020(8):

"A loaded or unloaded firearm or other deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in any enclosed container, compartment, or storage space installed as original equipment in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer, including but not limited to a glove compartment, center console, or seat pocket, regardless of whether said enclosed container, storage space, or compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism."

It went into effect June 8th this year."

Thank you, I knew that they were working on getting this done, but I was unaware that it had gone through yet. ;)
 
Not a state ;) But the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. NFA approved, constitutional open carry (unless it's Philadelphia). None of that "no alcohol no gun" nonsense, or that signage stuff. I'm not a hunter, so I'm not to sure about the hunting laws, ( I don't think you are allowed to hunt on Sunday unless it's for pests)
 
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There are a few issues with PA. CCW permits can be hard to get in some counties. There is no hunting on Sunday. Except for crows. And I personally like this but a lot don't. There is no hunting with a semi-automatic except for shotguns with birds. Our CCW permits are not recognized by a lot of states because we just get them with a simple background check. Overall I have nothing to complain about.


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Hey now whats wrong with hockey. Seriously though there are not a whole lot of places I could go (in this country anyways) that I would be allowed to own less than what I am now. That being said people are not one dimensional, I agree with certain liberal views and certain conservative ones (my love of this forum should tell you where I am on the 2nd amendment) so be nice. I would leave, but a job that keeps my bills current is too hard to come by today. Now maybe if I got laid off...
 
Hey now whats wrong with hockey. Seriously though there are not a whole lot of places I could go (in this country anyways) that I would be allowed to own less than what I am now. That being said people are not one dimensional, I agree with certain liberal views and certain conservative ones (my love of this forum should tell you where I am on the 2nd amendment) so be nice. I would leave, but a job that keeps my bills current is too hard to come by today. Now maybe if I got laid off...
Hockey is just unnatural for a place where water does not naturally form a solid capable of supporting people and vehicles for a prolonged period of time each year. It's just WRONG to have it down here. Obviously just another Damn Yankee influence... It's symptomatic of a lot of other Yankee "culture" that they have brought down here when they tried to escape the cesspool that they were living in. Come on... When I go up north, I don't expect them to know how to BBQ... In fact, I don't expect anyone outside of Texas to even know how to BBQ... Some of these places actually have the nerve to think that PORK is BBQ... Oh, the shame of it...
 
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What would cause NH to have six points?

* Gun Dealer Regulations: State license required
* No Guns in Workplace: Employers not forced to allow firearms in parking lots
* No Guns on College Campuses: Colleges are not forced to allow firearms on campus

Actually, those are all private property laws, which anyone who is a fan of liberty in general can not dissagree with.

I'll give you ONE reason why NH is better than any other state. And it applies DIRECTLY to numbers 2 and 3.

New Hampshire has a state law that PROHIBITS any town, state government agency, or municipality from having a gun law that is more restrictive than the state.

That means it is ILLEGAL for any state,town, or local gov to make up a regional statute that is more restrictive than the laws of the state. IE a town can't issue a local ordnance against concealed carry, or ownership, neither can a town hall, state park, legislative building, state owned school or university.

Even Arizona and Vermont doesn't have that.

In Vermont's defense though, if you commit an assault with a firearm (which includes pointing it someone and shooting them unjustly) it is only a $35 fine!!
 
Even Arizona and Vermont doesn't have that.

Arizona does have a preemption law on the books.

2005 Arizona Code - Revised Statutes §13-3108 Firearms regulated by state; state preemption;

A. Except as provided in subsection C of this section, a political subdivision of this state shall not enact any ordinance, rule or tax relating to the transportation, possession, carrying, sale, transfer or use of firearms or ammunition or any firearm or ammunition components in this state.

The firearm exception in Section C allows political subdivisions to require a permit to carry in some small public park areas.
 
I'll give you ONE reason why NH is better than any other state. And it applies DIRECTLY to numbers 2 and 3.

New Hampshire has a state law that PROHIBITS any town, state government agency, or municipality from having a gun law that is more restrictive than the state.
43 states have some type of preemption laws.

2. Hawaii, Illinois and Nebraska do not have statewide firearm preemption of local ordinances. Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York have preemption through judicial ruling, not statute. In Massachusetts, local ordinances may be imposed if approved by the state legislature.
 
The states where you can carry in school property buildings with a license are nice. I know even with my TN permit I can carry at Univ of Alabama legally. Tennessee is not so gun friendly and has some wierd gray laws.
 
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