Nice Buck Found Dead

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My son found the remains of a recently deceased doe on our property today. I know for sure it hadn't been shot by rifle or arrow. Sometimes deer just die, nothing lives forever. If your friends property is a large secluded parcel like mine i'd suspect coyotes before poachers/hunters.
 
Probably not. While things were dry here, when conditions produced lightning, very few of the strikes caused fires relative to the number of strikes that occurred.

Perhaps, but I think it's infinitely more likely that a range fire be started by lightening, than a buck be killed by it.


Also the only gear being confiscated is gear used directly used in the offense, not everything that pertains to hunting.

Really? O.K., you can argue with the Game Warden as you probably know more about game laws than he. Remember, those were HIS words, not mine.

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Here in Jersey, your required to shoot 3 or 5 arrows at a target 25 yards away and at least more than half into the kill zone of a deer target to get an archery hunting license.

Hitting more than 50% might be a passing grade in today's educational system, but in hunting it should be 90% or better. Who ever came up with that qualifier should be charged with wonton waste of game.
 
Hitting more than 50% might be a passing grade in today's educational system, but in hunting it should be 90% or better. Who ever came up with that qualifier should be charged with wonton waste of game.


I agree to the point of, if you aren't able to make a hit, don't shoot. You hear "it moved at the last second!" so much it's not even funny.
 
Perhaps, but I think it's infinitely more likely that a range fire be started by lightening, than a buck be killed by it.

Nice misdirection. The dichotomy wasn't whether a lightning strike would be more likely to start a range fire or more likely to kill a deer. Another posted mentioned deer killed by lightning and you commented that you thought that if lightning had struck that it would have caused a range fire. You seemed to be arguing that since there was no range fire, that it was unlikely that the deer was struck by lightning. I simply pointed out that very few fires are caused by lightning strikes relative to the number of strikes. The deer could have been killed by lightning and there have been no associated range fire. Sure, it is unlikely for a deer to be struck by lightning just like it is unlikely that a human would be struck by lightning, but hundreds of folks are struck each year by lightning, either directly or through ground strikes. Non human animals do get struck and sometimes they survive and sometimes they do not.
http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/07/mammal_deaths_by_lightning.php
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=62280

Really? O.K., you can argue with the Game Warden as you probably know more about game laws than he. Remember, those were HIS words, not mine.

I cited the bill that made poaching able to be prosecuted as a felony (in some cases) that stated what could be confiscated if a hunter was found guity of poaching. I don't care if the words were his or not, you were passing them off as factual. If you can find statutes that say otherwise, post them.
 
The moose don't get too big here in Colorado, but one of the largest racks that I've seen off a Colorado moose was found by my dad a few years back while elk hunting. The whole skeleton was lying in a creek where the squirrels and porcupines couldn't eat the antlers up; perfectly preserved for who knows how many years. There was, what looked to be a bullet hole (~.45cal) in the skull, right above the right eye, but I also thought it was an archery bull that had run off and gotten lost, down in the willows at the creek.
 
I had three bow hunting acquaintances of mine lose bucks this year. All 3 of them a exceptional shots with the bow too. Its too bad.
 
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I cited the bill that made poaching able to be prosecuted as a felony (in some cases) that stated what could be confiscated if a hunter was found guity of poaching. I don't care if the words were his or not, you were passing them off as factual.

Exactly. And on this subject, I'll continue to believe him rather than a nameless, faceless person sitting at a keyboard. And you didn't cite a bill, you simply made a statement.

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Texas law provides for sequestration of the equipment used in the illegal hunt. It does not apply to other hunting equipment not at the scene, not used in the crime.

Well, then I guess he, and therefore I, were wrong!

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I know of a .27 caliber bullet removed from the neck of a large boar that had been killed with an arrow. The archer said the bullet was deep in the neck of the hog and the wound had healed.
I also have hunted on a very large ranch in south Texas that gets very little pressure. There was numerous skulls with fantastic racks in the brush, the deer were thought to be dying of old age. The guides said we could not take the found racks from the ranch so what was found was piled up at the camp. Made a very impressive sculpture.
 
Texas law provides for sequestration of the equipment used in the illegal hunt. It does not apply to other hunting equipment not at the scene, not used in the crime.

But let's not for get that if convicted of said felony, the hunter is no longer allowed to own firearms.

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But let's not for get that if convicted of said felony, the hunter is no longer allowed to own firearms.

Right, but that is by federal law as well as losing the right to vote. Nobody is forgetting these. They just aren't part of the wildlife laws in question.
 
My Dad, our Scout Master said, "Kill What You Eat ... Eat What You Kill!!"

Or just let it be on its way!
 
You know, it just occurred to me that most people probably don't know what "gathering cattle" means. When someone is gathering cattle, it means they're horseback likely because they're in an area that doesn't have many roads. That's why I think it's unlikely the buck was poached.

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Thats what it means in Texas. Here in TN on our farm we use a feed bucket and call them and they come running. For the real stubborn ones we turn the aussie loose on em.



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While in a sporting goods store the other day I met a fellow bow hunter who was telling me about his season so far......he's arrowed a 140, 150, and 160 class bucks, but has failed to recover any. Had all kinds of excuses why they didn't drop on the spot. Guys like this should be relegated to animals more befitting their skill level, like barnyard critters that give them more than one shot opportunities....perhaps goats, sheep or feeder pigs.

While shotgun deer hunting yesterday I found a dead 10 point that the coyotes had been feeding on.....along with an arrow in the carcass. Too bad American archery hunters are not required to pass a proficiency test like European hunters do.....

Only time i have seen an arrow stick in a carcass is when someone thought they would try things the Barta way and shot em with a long bow. Ive never seen one shot with a compound bow with the arrow still in it. More often than not the arrow goes right through it.



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My son and I stumbled on a really nice buck couse deer last year and it had an obvious bullet hole through and through the rib cage. It wasn't but 40 or 50 yds. form the road, and we found it in the place were it was shot and dropped, so I know it wasn't a case of a wounded deer someone lost. It makes me sick to see such waste and disregard for our wildlife.

Personally, I feel if a person paoches a deer for the meat, the legal system should take it easy on them, especially so if it involves a needy family. But to kill one and then leave it for the crows and coyotes, that's a terrible crime, and sinful as well.
 
About 5 years ago I took the kids hunting. I sent Coulter down the road and told him to find a trail and walk it out. He was back at the road in less than 5 minutes with the prettiest 8pt that I've seen in a while. About 2 hours later here comes a 60's vw beetle with an 80's man and his wife. I told Coulter to show him the buck and the old gent replied "I shot that deer last year and couldn't find it". I told Coulter that the old gent was probably telling the truth and probably wouldn't shoot another in his lifetime. Coulter declined to give him his rack. It was his decision.

I have not seen the old guy since.
 
As Tnxd said, generally a compound (or any bow that generates decent velocity) will punch its arrow clean thru...well just about anything...unless you hit a very solid bone square, or have the shaft break which is odd, but not unheard of, especially with people shooting undersized arrows. My issue with bow hunting is that its alot like pistol hunting, in that it takes more......dedication? skill? restraint?, not exactly the words i want, to be fair and humane. With an arrow you kill by stabing your target ONCE, it dosent generate the shock trauma or even the wound channel a bullet does. A good shot will very rarely drop an animal on the spot, but more often then not requires patience to wait for the animal to die and a decent ablity to track. I bow hunt, but im neither sneaky enough, nor patient enough to get many shots ill even consider taking. As a result i shoot very few animals, not that it maters as there is no hunting seasons here.

On a side note, where i lived growing up there was a lot of poaching at night, as well as semi-legal hunting during the day. My friend and I killed a number of deer with bullets still in them, and we found quite a few carcasses that i would be willing to bet were killed and lost by rifle hunters. Poor ethics, and decisions can be made by all.
 
While in a sporting goods store the other day I met a fellow bow hunter who was telling me about his season so far......he's arrowed a 140, 150, and 160 class bucks, but has failed to recover any. Had all kinds of excuses why they didn't drop on the spot. Copied from above.

Fat too many hunters-bow/rifle, dont look for an animal after shooting. If it dont drop, they must have missed. Go find another.
 
A buddy of mine pointed out that when a buck is in velvet, the blood flow into the antlers saps his strength to some extent. Further, the antlers in velvet are very sensitive; too much so for any sort of fighting.
 
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