Looking for advice on what kind of can to get for a LWRC M6A3 5.56 14.5bbl with welded On surefire muzzle break MB556K. Not sure if I have to go with surefire because of the break or if any other makers would fit. Also not sure if I should just get a 7.62 and use it so that I only need one tax stamp if I want to use it on a different host. Any advice would be great. Thanks:banghead:
5.56 vs 7.62 suppressor
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In Connecticut, I understand that suppressing an AR is a legal gray area; suppressors, in addition to reducing noise, are also excellent at reducing muzzle flash.
So even if you had a Gemtech adapter welded onto the barrel, would the suppressor be a flash hider? I suppose you could get one of those bizarre California stocks to be safe and remain under the feature count.
It's an unclear point, legally. My advice is to proceed VERY carefully. As far as I know, it's untested waters and you'll get different answers depending on the shop you talk to.
Sorry for that. BUT.....
Yeah, you can go with a 7.62 can and put it on a 5.56, legal issues aside.
So even if you had a Gemtech adapter welded onto the barrel, would the suppressor be a flash hider? I suppose you could get one of those bizarre California stocks to be safe and remain under the feature count.
It's an unclear point, legally. My advice is to proceed VERY carefully. As far as I know, it's untested waters and you'll get different answers depending on the shop you talk to.
Sorry for that. BUT.....
Yeah, you can go with a 7.62 can and put it on a 5.56, legal issues aside.
I admit I haven't looked up the muzzle brake you have, but if it does allow a surefire suppressor to be attached then yes get a 7.62 suppressor and then you can adapt over to any other future weapons up to and including 7.62.
I bought the YHM QD 7.62 titanium and it does an excellent job on my AR15s as well. I have no clue if any other brands will adapt to your surefire adapter, but I doubt it.
I bought the YHM QD 7.62 titanium and it does an excellent job on my AR15s as well. I have no clue if any other brands will adapt to your surefire adapter, but I doubt it.
Thx for the info. Yeah it seems very confusing everywhere I go to look up the laws in talking with my class 3 dealer he says it's legal but the state can argue about it with that said he sells quite a few cans for AR's. I gotta do more research.
Don't know about your state, but in louisiana the state police are notified and they have a chance to say yes or no. I have never heard of them saying no, because they are not notified until the approval is given by the ATF. So if the ATF is good with it, why shouldn't the state be as well?
If you buy one as an individual, you have to send in fingerprints and the local sheriff has to give his signature. HOWEVER, if you do a trust or a LLC the fingerprints and sheriff sig are not necessary. I went with LLC simply because I already had one set for my business. The trust is by far the best way from what I understand, especially for passing it on when you die. You probably need to search for a lawyer there who is familiar with class 3 trusts. It is complicated=and purposefully so by the lawyers in the past or else lawyers couldn't make money.
If your SOT sells a lot of suppressors in CT, then I would think it IS legal for you to get one there. And the state must say it's OK or he couldn't complete a sale there
My knowledge is very limited in these matters, so don't take this as gospel.
After all the legal hurdles are cleared, you still have the endless wait for the ATF to approve........6 months or so seems to be average nowdays since the ATF operation was "streamlined for efficiency."
If you buy one as an individual, you have to send in fingerprints and the local sheriff has to give his signature. HOWEVER, if you do a trust or a LLC the fingerprints and sheriff sig are not necessary. I went with LLC simply because I already had one set for my business. The trust is by far the best way from what I understand, especially for passing it on when you die. You probably need to search for a lawyer there who is familiar with class 3 trusts. It is complicated=and purposefully so by the lawyers in the past or else lawyers couldn't make money.
If your SOT sells a lot of suppressors in CT, then I would think it IS legal for you to get one there. And the state must say it's OK or he couldn't complete a sale there
My knowledge is very limited in these matters, so don't take this as gospel.
After all the legal hurdles are cleared, you still have the endless wait for the ATF to approve........6 months or so seems to be average nowdays since the ATF operation was "streamlined for efficiency."
For all you guys in free states:
Here's the OP's problem: In Connecticut, it's perfectly legal to purchase and use a suppressor. However, CT still uses the "feature count" to define "assault weapons", and one of those features is having a threaded muzzle OR a flash hider (pinned and welded compensators are okay).
As everyone who's used a suppressor knows, not only does it make the gun quieter, but it also SUPPRESSES FLASH better than anything else. And this, in CT, is a very gray legal area. Sure, it's a sound suppressor. But is it also a flash hider? The Attorney General hasn't ruled on this, and neither have the courts. Oddly enough, people aren't lining up to be the test case.
So the question isn't really about the legality of the suppressor, it's about whether putting one on an AR turns the AR into an illegal assault weapon.
OP, this is one reason why preban ARs go for a premium here. Get one of them, and you can do whatever you want to.
Okay, let's forget the law (or lack of it) and confine the discussion to the multi-caliber question. Yes, a larger diameter suppressor will work, and generally work well. My longer term goal is to use the same suppressor for my Mini-30, my AR, and my 7mm bolt rifle, and all my research and conversations with people who know say it works okay, depending on the can itself, and the amount of freebore in the over-caliber can.
Here's the OP's problem: In Connecticut, it's perfectly legal to purchase and use a suppressor. However, CT still uses the "feature count" to define "assault weapons", and one of those features is having a threaded muzzle OR a flash hider (pinned and welded compensators are okay).
As everyone who's used a suppressor knows, not only does it make the gun quieter, but it also SUPPRESSES FLASH better than anything else. And this, in CT, is a very gray legal area. Sure, it's a sound suppressor. But is it also a flash hider? The Attorney General hasn't ruled on this, and neither have the courts. Oddly enough, people aren't lining up to be the test case.
So the question isn't really about the legality of the suppressor, it's about whether putting one on an AR turns the AR into an illegal assault weapon.
OP, this is one reason why preban ARs go for a premium here. Get one of them, and you can do whatever you want to.
Okay, let's forget the law (or lack of it) and confine the discussion to the multi-caliber question. Yes, a larger diameter suppressor will work, and generally work well. My longer term goal is to use the same suppressor for my Mini-30, my AR, and my 7mm bolt rifle, and all my research and conversations with people who know say it works okay, depending on the can itself, and the amount of freebore in the over-caliber can.
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Has anyone sent a letter to the Attorney General inquiring as to the legalities? I would guess it may depend on how the law is written. If it says "Devices intended to reduce flash" then i would say the citizens are screwed. If it says a "flash hider" then they may have a chance as one could easily argue this means a specific device designed for that purpose. Hell, longer barrels reduce flash compared to shorter ones so how broad can they go?
Lots of good point here. Guess I will have to write the AG and try to get a definition of the law rather than just an interptitation of it. It really does seem silly to me that damn rule of 3 things making it an assault weapon. Well thanks all for the input.
I'd be interested in your posting the response if you get one.
You could very well be stirring up a hornet's nest. IF they give you a definitive answer, you realize you'll either be a hero or one of the most reviled Nutmeg Staters among its gun owners, don't you?
Best of luck, though.
You could very well be stirring up a hornet's nest. IF they give you a definitive answer, you realize you'll either be a hero or one of the most reviled Nutmeg Staters among its gun owners, don't you?
Best of luck, though.
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Ironically enough, Conneticut allows for suppressors. So if you get a rifle with a muzzle break perm attached as a mount instead of a flash hider, you should be good to go. Not to mention, a muzzle break makes for a good primary blast baffle!
See posts #4, 6, 8, and 10. We understand what the law says. It's what the law doesn't say, whether or not a suppressor is a flash hider (it is, of course, but that's undefined legally), that has the OP worried.
It wouldn't be a problem for a bolt gun, or a Mini-14 with the standard stock. But if it adds a "feature" beyond a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously", then he could be in big trouble.
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Posts: 521 The Conneticut gun law is found here: LINK.
Ironically enough, Conneticut allows for suppressors. So if you get a rifle with a muzzle break perm attached as a mount instead of a flash hider, you should be good to go. Not to mention, a muzzle break makes for a good primary blast baffle!
See posts #4, 6, 8, and 10. We understand what the law says. It's what the law doesn't say, whether or not a suppressor is a flash hider (it is, of course, but that's undefined legally), that has the OP worried.
It wouldn't be a problem for a bolt gun, or a Mini-14 with the standard stock. But if it adds a "feature" beyond a "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously", then he could be in big trouble.
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