Buying a handgun today or tomorrow, need advice...

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orangeninja

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Okay I'll admit it, in my younger years I was all about gun shops and buying guns. Then I got married, had 2 babies and now I buy diapers by the truckload and enough formula to keep a small nation fed. In short I've become a penny pinching scrooge when it comes to spending money on non-necessity items...but it’s time. At first I carried a Sig 229 everywhere I went (since it was my duty weapon) but it just became too cumbersome, so I went to a Glock 26 which while better wasn’t a whole hoot better since it still required a holster. So off to the gun shop to buy a gun for the first time in what must be 4 years since I now find myself pretty much unarmed 99% of the time these days.

So my criteria for the gun:
1.) Had to be at least .380 or above.
2.) Easily popped into a pocket.
3.) Be of absolute reliability even if seldom fired or cleaned.
4.) I need to be able to actually hit something with it at 50 feet.
5.) Needs to be a platform (meaning auto instead of revolver).

Now I’m torn, I want the Kahr CM9 because of the caliber (9mm) and because I know and have owned at least 2 Kahrs before and though they have a spongy trigger, they are absolutely reliable. Also I can make a “hit” at 50 feet with it if I concentrate and stage the trigger, the sights are intuitive since I am so used to the “line and dot” sig style site. The drawback might be the size as it is slightly smaller than a Glock 26 but larger than a .380 Ruger LCP.

Second on the docket of considerations is a Ruger LCP. The pros? It’s small, lightweight and you can almost forget it’s in your pocket (very comfortable). The cons? It’s a .380, it would be difficult to hit anything at 50 feet with it and I have some concerns on the reliability…are my concerns unfounded?

Third consideration, Kel Tec PF9. Good caliber, big compared to the LCP but only slightly more than the Karh. Decent trigger, decent sites, and familiar feel. The cons, a break in period (common to Kel Tecs) and possible reliability issues. Plus I’m not 100% certain this will fit in my pocket.

Fourth and distant consideration is the Diamondback. I love the sights, the feel, the trigger, everything. I have concerns on reliability.

I know a lot of people recommend snubbies but I am just not that great with a wheel gun. Deadly at 21 feet but dangerous to the general public at 50 feet with one.

Any thoughts? Recommendation?
 
Well, given your requirement list, a wheel gun would be what I'd suggest first. A three inch barreled S&W Model 60 would be easily as accurate as anything on your short list. That said, if you don't like them, that's cool.

Just don't forget the trade off of any of the tiny 9mm's when it comes to range time. You aren't going to find anything smaller than your Glock that is much fun to shoot. My EDC is a Glock 19 as I find that size the best tradeoff balance for me. You have to find your tradeoff point.

How about the Ruger LC9? Not much bigger than the LCP but with a much better chambering.

Another option might be the Kimber Solo though I've heard mixed things about them.

If you already like Kahr, then probably sticking to them is a good idea.
 
My suggestion is a S&W Model 642/442 (38spl) revolver. They pretty much are absolutely reliable or as reliable as a firearm can be that is exposed routinely to pocket dirt and other stuff guns don't like. I pocket carry a 442 often. If you feel you are dangerous with a revolver, you need more practice, a lot more.

I like the Ruger LCP, but don't have any real experience with one. The Ruger LCR is a good choice too, but the grips make it difficult to pocket carry effectively in my opinion. You might look at the Ruger LC9 (9mm) as well. It is just a little larger. I like Kahr's, but they tend to be expensive relative to many other choices. Reliability is the key. For reliability, Glock is king but even their smallest models are a bit fat for a pocket.

Shooting Times magazine has an article in the Feb 2012 issue comparing a number of different pocket pistols (Kahr, Ruger LCP, Kel-Tec, Taurus etc.). I have not read it yet, but you might want to take a look at it before you buy.

I understand the attraction of pocket carry.... heading out of the house, slip the gun in your pocket and you're good to go. The real issue I have with pocket carry unless it is in a jacket is using up an entire pocket for the gun and drawing a gun quickly from a pants pocket is slow. Normally you only have two pockets and that means I have to pile a bunch of stuff in the other pocket (knife, change, several sets of keys, and it eliminates placing your cell phone in your pants pocket even temporarily.
 
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The LCP is a great little gun that basically disappears in your pocket with a nice leather holster. I have looked at others like the lc9 but they just look and feel huge compared to the lcp. With some good bullets the lcp would be a lot better than nothing. A Glock 19 or like model gun is probably better but then we are not talking pocket guns.
 
Thanks guys...
@wlewisiii, I might get a cheap, lightweight Taurus and practice with it. I don't want to invest too much in it just in case I stick with not liking wheel guns. I've owned several snubbies and even at one point in my life was pretty good with a revolver. The downside to the revolvers are that I do not practice as much as I should and they are just not as intuitive for me to shoot. I learned on an automatic, I went to academy and was issued an automatic, the government probably spent tens of thousands of dollars on my getting supplemental training using autos and autos are just what I’m most comfortable with. I’d have to spend a heck of a lot of money and time to get as proficient with a revolver as I am with an auto and at some point the tradeoff just isn’t worth it. When it comes to accurate shooting I have fairly high standards for myself and snubbies just do not lend themselves to that. But in all fairness, I’d probably be about as accurate with an LCP as I would any snubby, but that’s not saying much.

@22-rimfire, I had a S&W 442, it was okay but again I just was nowhere nearly as accurate of a shot with it as I could be with a similar sized and weight automatic. I have not yet seen a Ruger LC9 in person; I expect it would be a lot like the Kel Tec PF9 though. For me pocket carry is a tradeoff…but usually when waiting in line somewhere or talking to someone I tend to have my hands casually in my pockets anyway, so if needed in an emergency I’d be much more likely to access it there without “telegraphing” my intentions via body language that I would with a hip holster (either IWB or OWB).

As a side note I have seen and like the Ruger LCR but it’s comparable to a Glock 26 in size.

My reservation is that I’m not absolutely wild about Kahr, I’ve owned 2 and sold them both for a reason…they are not fun to shoot and have what I consider to be an almost unreadable trigger (difficult to stage a shot) because they are so spongy…but they aim true and are dead reliable.
 
Drop the diamondback and add s&w 380bg to consideration. As reliable as lcp but with visible sights. Lcp has accurate sights - if you can see them. Don't let laser/safety prejudice get in your way - you don't have to use them.
 
@Rifleman173... I have a Glock 26. It is too big for pocket carry.

@hammerklavier, I'll check out the 380bg.
 
Rifleman, he's got a G26 already and finds it difficult to carry.

Two things more: first, for carrying your G26 - http://deepconceal.com/ I'm getting one for my G19. Perhaps something like that would work for you? Much like with a duty sidearm, you'd get up and put it on for the day but then it's there & forget about it unless you need it.

Otherwise, let me give another vote for the S&W Bodyguard over the LCP. On the one I handled, I liked the trigger a bit more, the sights a lot more and the grip fit my hand better.
 
In the referenced Shooting Times article, Taurus PT 738 got the highest reliability rating but was low in accuracy at 15 yds. Overall the Ruger LCP and S&W Bodyguard 380 got the highest ratings except for the Kahr P380 which was pretty much tops in most catagories. My leanings would be for either the Ruger LCP or S&W, but the S&W is the heaviest at 11.85 oz.
 
I'm going to have to see that Kahr P380... though I strongly prefer a 9mm for cost and availability of ammo and of course more powerful round but a P380 looks VERY interesting.

I'll check out the S&W too.
 
I was sold on the Ruger LCP but after handling a Diamondback DB380 at a gunshow and doing a few hours of research on the internet I'm pretty sold that it'll be my next purchase. At first I didn't consider it due to the company not being in the market for very long but after reading review after review after review I'm pretty sold on it.
 
Bersa's a bit larger but their models work well and fall nicely into the "Scrooge" band for those of us with 3 kids.

SA/DA trigger with a decocker safety on the .smaller ones, They do make a Ultra-compact .45 ACP as well as the .380s. The .40/9mm ones are larger framed. all under $400.

Bersa's external finish is not as nice as some more expensive pistols, but they're reliable and well made on the inside. They don't waste much money on advertising either.
 
I have a P32 for when I'm hanging with the babies and have to be around a bunch of mommies, some of whom may be alot more heavily armed than me.

I like the P32 since it's deep in my pocket, doesn't stand out, I don't have to worry about something on my belt, or the kids getting it while I'm carrying them etc. Or when you have to shed layers uncovering your CCW.

That said, I like something in the glock size, just wish it was more melted like a smith or even a sig.
 
Orangeninja,

Stay away from the Kahr's, our large department here in Indianapolis just pulled the entire line from the approved list due to multiple feeding issues. Personally, I'd look at the LC9 over the LCP.

LD
 
@ everyone, thanks for the advice I ended up with a S&W Bodyguard. For $350 I couldn't beat the price, it felt good in my hand, had real sights on it, had a laser and fit in my pocket. I couldn't ask for more. Range report soon.

@ Quoheleth, I'll let you know how she shoots at 50 feet. I'm betting I'll be alright.

@ Lawdawg, thanks for letting me know about the Kahr. Nobody had a CM9 in stock or I very likely would have bought that one. I'll wait to see if they get the kinks worked out first. I should have all I need with the .380 for now.

And for those worried about ballistics, mouse gun stuff, all that...I do plan on carrying FMJ rounds as I don't believe that the extra 1/16 of an inch in expansion would really amount to much but I do have concerns that penetration might be an issue if ever needed. FMJ worked in Europe for many years, I'm sure it'll do alright with adequate shot placement in the good old U.S. That said, my next project is a shotgun in the trunk :)
 
The Bodyguard should do well for you. I would have recommended either the LCP or the LC9. I have both of them and find both to be excellent carry guns. The 9 has very good sights and is accurate and easy to shoot. The LCP is very easily concealed in anything short of a pair of Speedos and maybe even then. It took me a good bit of practice with it but I can reliably hit a 9" plate at 50' and an 8X10 steel plate at 25yds so it's not impossible to shoot.
 
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