Advice to new CCW holders: Part 2 - Carry like a pro

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I read the article and don't see what there is to argue about.

The advice was pretty generic.

That's what I was thinking.

It's one guy's opinion, and it's mostly standard stuff. It's probably helpful to most anyone, not just folks new to CCW. Nothing wrong with having a different opinion, or even sharing one's opinion, but I don't see the point of arguing about it.
 
I don't think that advising against a brand is the greatest thing to do, but whether or not it's poor advice is up to each reader to decide.

Perhaps a better approach would be a Caveat, Trebor.

Each individual should to test their kit. If a cheap gun is dead nuts reliable, then that's just the way it is. Reading that it isn't in an article can inspire an unwarranted lack of confidence in that equipment in an individual, which benefits no one.

No offense intended, but you accuse bubba of making arbitrary claims, no? (Which I don't disagree with you in that sense) I just doubt you have any data to back up your rankings of reliability in manufacturers, and fair is fair, right?.
 
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Recognizing a failure, diagnosing it, digging out the mag and changing it is all going to take 8 seconds. Minimum.
We trained yearly to identify, fix and re-aquire the target from a Class 3 malfunction in 7 seconds. Maximum. If you couldn't do it, you kept at it until you could, or you didn't pass. I averaged 5.
I was qualifying with a different agency many years ago when I experienced a failure to feed. Tap rack bang took 1.5 seconds by the RO's timing device.
And my last comment on this issue here, 8 seconds, (by your watch), is a very long time in a gunfight. If you don't have the option to replace a bad/malfunctioning mag...it's possible to be the rest of your life.
Have a nice day, sir.
 
And my last comment on this issue here, 8 seconds, (by your watch), is a very long time in a gunfight. If you don't have the option to replace a bad/malfunctioning mag...it's possible to be the rest of your life.
Exactly my point.
 
An extra mag is not necessary.

I carry a spare ALWAYS as I may indeed deplete the magazine in my single stack CCW pistols (Kahr PM9 and Seecamp .32). In addition I may experience a stoppage that leads me to performing the immediate actions to clear a doublefeed.

I believe an extra magazine IS necessary, even when I CCW a Glock 19. I’m going to do everything possible to ensure my success in winning a deadly confrontation - and it may require a spare magazine.

Yes, "all the pros" recommend it. SO it must be so. I did back it up. Recognizing a failure, diagnosing it, digging out the mag and changing it is all going to take 8 seconds. Minimum.

And your other choice is to have an empty gun and be powerless? That's fatalistic thinking, IMO.

Diagnostic techniques are slow because the shooter must transition through the OODA Loop in sequential order. The shooter first Observes the pistol didn’t fire when he pressed the trigger. Then he has to Orient to the situation – inspect the pistol to determine the type of failure and Decide what action to perform to clear the stoppage, and then Act to implement the decision.

(In addition you may mis-diagnose an in-line stovepipe, a doublefeed stoppage or a failure to feed because they may have the same appearance as a pistol that's been fired to slide lock, especially in low light. This corrupts the "Orientation" phase of the OODA Loop and leads to an incorrect Decision, which increases the time to adapt to the situation.)

I use a non-diagnostic technique which short circuits the OODA Loop to “Observe-Act”

When the pistol fails to fire then Tap, Roll & Rack is my immediate action. It takes about a second to perform.

If Tap, Roll and Rack fails to get the pistol running then I have a decision to make: react or reload? Depending on the situation it may be more important to react to the danger to keep from being shot, stabbed, bludgeoned, stomped, etc., before I have the opportunity to perform a Combat Reload.

Performing Tap, Roll and Rack doesn’t divert my attention from the external problem (the bad guy who’s trying to harm me) to deal with an internal problem (my gun stopped firing). Tap, Roll & Rack is performed automatically. If it doesn’t get the gun running then my mind is free to decide what to do next – react or reload. Reacting to danger may be more important than getting my gun running. (The first rule of a gunfight is - Don’t get shot. The second rule of a gunfight is - If you do get shot, drive-on and don’t give up.)

If Tap, Roll & Rack failed to get the gun running, then when time and conditions permit, I attempt to perform a Combat Reload (because I’m more likely to have emptied the magazine than to have encountered a doublefeed). If I can’t insert the fresh magazine into the pistol because the “depleted” magazine failed to jettison when I operated the magazine release then I immediately put the fresh magazine between the ring and pinky fingers of my firing hand, Roll, Rack & Lock the slide open, rip the “depleted” magazine from the pistol, Roll & Rack three times to clear the action, Retrieve the fresh magazine and finish the Combat Reload (Seat, Roll & rack). Progressing sequentially from Tap, Roll & Rack; attempting to perform a Combat Reload; and performing the actions to clear a doublefeed takes me about 8 seconds. It will take longer if I have to react to the danger. In addition I can perform it while on the move and in total darkness.

If the depleted magazine jettisoned when I worked the magazine release when I first attempted to perform a Combat Reload then I can have the gun back up and running in about 3-4 seconds if the situation allows me to immediately perform a Combat Reload when Tap, Roll & Rack failed to get the gun running.

I don’t care what caused the gun to stop firing. I just progress sequentially through a series of immediate actions until I get the gun running. If “A” doesn’t work then I perform “B”. If “B” doesn’t work then I perform “C”. There’s no diagnosing or thinking required. My mind is free to deal with the external tactical problem while I’m working the get the gun back up and running.

A = Tap, Roll & Rack
B = React/Reload
C = Clear the doublefeed and complete the Combat Reload
 
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Hundreds of years ago, "the pros" back then had a saying - "Two strings to your bow."

Carrying a spare magazine (or a speedloader, for wheelgunners) is pretty much the same idea, far as I can tell.
 
I really fail to see why bubba613 is even bothering to argue this point.
Not only has he failed to address the simple fact that a magazine is easily carried and weighs next to nothing, he hasn't even presented any reason as to why carrying an extra mag is a bad idea.
 
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I've just returned to THR after a hiatus following a frustration with the amount of bickering and one-size-fits-all rules/advice spewed on the forum.

Not much has changed.

I disagree with many points in the article. I don't think a CCWer has to have an expensive or even modern firearm to be effective. I don't think a model-specific holster is mandatory. My favorite is a one-size IWB slide holster without a name brand on it.

I don't think carrying one in the chamber is always the best choice, although in-general I think it usually is.

I think people are unique, as are the situations they find themselves in, and even the firearms they carry. I don't think one-size-fits-all advice should be regarded as rules that are set in stone.

I know nothing I say will change anyone's mind. I kow there's no point in arguing any of it. I kow this post has been an exercise in futility.

I just learned the dot in an i is called a tittle. That's the only thing any of you will have learned from reading any of this.
 
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Posted by B yond: My favorite is a one-size IWB slide holster without a name brand on it.
If you have found one that enables you to re-holster your handgun quickly using one hand, great.

Otherwise, you 'favorite' could put you at risk.

I'll stick with the OPs advice.

All of it.
 
B Yond,

First off, welcome back to THR.

This is a discussion board. If we all agreed it would be something else. A pep rally perhaps.

The article in question had suggested that we carry a quality gun.

Personally I don't know how you can argue with "Pick a quality gun" but I am happy to read your thoughts. I would suggest that your argument adds to the discussion is a good thing rather than the bickering that you dislike.

You might even find the ensuing conversation "tittle-ating"

(I crack me up)
 
kleenbore said:
If you have found one that enables you to re-holster your handgun quickly using one hand, great.

Otherwise, you 'favorite' could put you at risk.

I'll stick with the OPs advice.

All of it.
I agree with the holster part, too.

I seem to remember an article on here about an old (marine)? guy who carried his roscoe in one of those nylon holsters. He was involved in a diner shooting, and his nylong holster pushed waay too far into his waistband, hindering his draw / reload?

B Yond,

First off, welcome back to THR.

This is a discussion board. If we all agreed it would be something else. A pep rally perhaps.

The article in question had suggested that we carry a quality gun.

Personally I don't know how you can argue with "Pick a quality gun" but I am happy to read your thoughts. I would suggest that your argument adds to the discussion is a good thing rather than the bickering that you dislike.

You might even find the ensuing conversation "tittle-ating"

(I crack me up)
Most of us can afford to purchase and carry a quality gun and quality holster.
Others cannot.

Discouraging them without any real, objective data isn't a good idea.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=632524
 
Its not carry a quality firearm. Its dont carry a taurus that I got hung up on as a rule. And the fact that my uncle mikes IWB works flawless for three different guns, A derringer, revolver and a 380 pocket pistol.
 
Recognizing a failure, diagnosing it, digging out the mag and changing it is all going to take 8 seconds. Minimum.
Uh, no. One of my regular drills is to load my spare magazines with a random number of cartridges (or have a buddy load my magazines for me,) then shoot 3-round strings from the holster until the gun goes empty. My reload times for such an unexpected emergency reload average around 1.8 seconds, shot to shot.

This is not an unreasonable time. Someone who is serious about carrying and practices regularly should be able to hit 2.0-2.5 second reloads with no trouble.

I cannot imagine the circumstances that would cause me to take eight seconds to complete a reload - I literally can reload the pistol with only my left hand in half that time.

-C
 
I agree with article. I think perhaps the article should replace a budget handgun with a reliable handgun. The importance is reliability! I believe there are some budget handguns that are very reliable.
I believe you should train as frequently as possible with your handgun. If you carry you NEED to be proficient with the handgun/s you carry. Just my .2 cents.
 
These articles, like every other "pro" are opinions. If you take some of the advice, leave some of the advice, and disregard the rest as what it was....a suggestion....then you get to form your own OPINIONS based (like the articles) on your own experience and training. I learned some things when I went for my CCW class and planted a few new ideas in the brain of the instructor. That's why we have discussions about our ideas. Sometimes they will light a bulb in the brain of someone else, and trigger a whole new concept.

I am passing these articles onto my friends and family that aren't on THR because there are some fresh ideas they need to consider.
 
Thanks for the article. Being a new gun owner I liked it. Everyone has opinions on weapons they like, thats human nature. I have my permit to carry sent out so now Im going to go and read the rtc laws more carefully for Indiana. We dont have conceal carry, we have carry, concealed or open, both are under the same permit.
 
I liked your article. Good, common sense advice, although I might quibble about your words on holsters. My remora holsters don't have straps or clips and perform very well both in pocket and iwb.
 
Uh, no. One of my regular drills is to load my spare magazines with a random number of cartridges (or have a buddy load my magazines for me,) then shoot 3-round strings from the holster until the gun goes empty. My reload times for such an unexpected emergency reload average around 1.8 seconds, shot to shot.
Um, no. Not remotely the same thing.
 
You won’t see a pro stuff his handgun in a cheap nylon “one size fits none” holster. A pro carries in a leather or Kydex holster designed for his specific handgun model.
This works just fine....

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bubba613 said:
Um, no. Not remotely the same thing.

Please answer my question: Why is carrying an extra magazine a bad thing?
Why is it inferior to the practice of not carrying a magazine?
 
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