Made in China

Thanks for the heads-up and we will definitely let our customers know.

We're finding for machine work that Chinese steel just isn't holding up as well as steel from Japan or Germany, which we need for precision firearms. Hopefully the receiver on that shotgun will hold up over the years...

I didn't think NE Firearms made any secret about this. Maybe I'm wrong. Everything is made in China now. Our goose is pretty well cooked.

As long as the consumer is buying on a low price basis without regard to quality the Chinese will prosper. You can blame corporations all you wish but it is the consumer who drives the market in a capitalist system.

I'm surprised, guns aren't like everything else, I don't really come across any made in China. Most I see is Brazil (like Taurus) and Kroatia (like my Springfield Armory I believe) and of course the good ol' USA.

yep it's sad that there are so few American made products left here. I try to buy american made when I can, but I just don't have much money. Sadly, this is what forced the outsourcing in the first place. However, American companies that make crappy products such as freedom group aren't helping. I mean just look at what happened to marlin when they were bought out. The new guns are ugly, cheaply made, and poorly finished. While a japanese howa is well finished and very accurate. If people could just understand that quantity should not surpass quality in the firearms industry, we would be able to produce better products and therefore have more american firearms buyers.

Was not the NORICO copy of the Colt 45 automatic one of the better quality 45's when they were available? Did not STI use that model for their custom 45's?

While I do not support all the goods coming from china, their steel can be as good or as bad as the buyer wishes..

Remember the chinese junk and garbage is the same junk and garbage we all use for the internet, or tv entertainment.

This has been the case since the Pardner Pump was introduced years ago. Its always been made in China. The single-shots that they are most well known for are still made here.

Here's a business related article about Freedom Group and its owner Cerberus Capital Management. They now own Remington, Marlin, Harrington & Richardson, New England Firearms, L.C. Smith, Parker, Bushmaster, DPMS/Panther Arms, Dakota Arms, EOTAC, and INTC.

Welcome to the New World.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/business/how-freedom-group-became-the-gun-industrys-giant.html?pagewanted=all

Tinpig

I use the 20% rule.

If i can get a similar product, made in america, I will pay 20% more maximum.

I wont pay double.

@Tinpig: I believe it is George Soros' Brave New World. The sooner this guys "four score and ten" expire the better off we all will be.

If you read the article, you will see the George Soros investment in Freedom Group is another in a long line of internet age propogated FUD(fear uncertainty doubt) myths.

Almost everything is made in China. China is cheap and China isn't as concerned over product quality or labor conditions. Therefore, Chinese guns are often cheaper, but there are quality differences in Chinese products. As with everywhere, you need to pay for quality. It sure is sad that classic style guns are being outsourced to China.

China also isn't concerned with consumer protection or environmental protection. It's really easy to make things cheaply when the real costs are passed on to the consumers or the general public.

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Almost everything is made in China. China is cheap and China isn't as concerned over quality or labor.

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Chinese companies are as concerned over quality, as their clients are. Basically all main stream computer components are made in China. Some are absolute crap, some are of high quality. It depends on what the company contracting to make the components asks for.

As already stated on here, some of the Norinco guns were of superb quality.

Metal is an issue with Chinese stuff. There's things the US auto industry would love to source in China, and some things they are almost forced to (for example there are no white iron foundries left in the US), but the stuff ends up coming back to previous suppliers and a frequent reason is metallurgy.

I buy as many American made products as I can. And I try to buy within my own state, so Ohio made products get first priority. It is just getting tougher and tougher to do it. Even produce is being brought in from Mexico, South America and elsewhere. I shop at farmers markets to support local growers and have learned how to spot the guys who don't grow their own but buy at the truck termianl anad bring the stuff to the markets.

If you stop buying the junk products, the companies get the message, but you have to let them know that you considered thier product but chose to buy something else. Phone calls and letters really work.

Metal is an issue with Chinese stuff. There's things the US auto industry would love to source in China, and some things they are almost forced to (for example there are no white iron foundries left in the US), but the stuff ends up coming back to previous suppliers and a frequent reason is metallurgy.

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Good point. We've noticed this when doing machine work on Chinese steel vs US, German, or Japanese product. Invariably the tool working on the Chinese stuff won't run consistently - it'll go at a steady rate for a while, then blow through it like it's soft butter, then go back to normal again.

While it won't make a difference on some guns, for high-quality precision firearms it is completely unacceptable.

As long as the consumer is buying on a low price basis without regard to quality the Chinese will prosper. You can blame corporations all you wish but it is the consumer who drives the market in a capitalist system.

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and this will always be the way it is - period. The consumer sets the price and the quality level of goods sold

I'd have a lot more "Stuff" if I didn't make an effort to buy Local, State, then US made products in that order.

I appreciate what I have more, I have less junk, and the things I do buy tend to last longer.

Suck-it-up, cupcake! China owns us. Now, all that's left to do, is for us all to learn Mandarine. <<Just messin' with ya>>

I try to buy only USA-made. When I got my first Mustang 5.0 home, I saw on the papers: "Made in Canada". :banghead: That's just un-American!

Geno

Geno said:

When I got my first Mustang 5.0 home, I saw on the papers: "Made in Canada". :banghead: That's just un-American!

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There's an ugly rumor going around that the Statue of Liberty was made in France

^^^^lol

I am a retired engineering metallurgist for a large, heavy duty transmission manufacturer who years ago reviewed Chinese samples our purchasing department wanted to buy. These were complete gears, machined and heat treated shipped to us for a lower price then what we paid for the forgings. My job was to cut them up and evaluate the microstructure, heat treating etc. The manufacturing section had already disqualified them on poor gear geometry.

so...

After looking at some of the most awful excuse for steel and the most pathetic attempt at heat treating (the gears had so much "retained austenite" in the carburized case they were dead soft) I brought this out in a meeting with the Chinese representatives and our people.

I believe the Chinese shot the steel manufacturers and heat treaters....

And for anyone that cares the absolute best steel on the planet is being made in Japan. And German steel is not all it's cracked up to be. What steel we make in the US is better then it's ever been due to imrovements in the process (copying Japan).

^^^interesting