What Would You Choose As the M9's Replacement?

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FIVETWOSEVEN, I think I might actually disagree with you that we'll be getting a new rifle first. The only way I see us replacing the M-16/M4 series rifles as our general issue service weapon, is if the LSAT program is reinstated and becomes a practical success. Even then I can easily see us just chambering LSAT ammunition in either the M-16 or in an M-16 with just enough modifications to allow the new ammunition to work.

I can see us trading for some other pistol before that happens. The M-16 is too ideal a service rifle to replace with anything possible to produce today, and likely anything possible before the end of the next decade at least.

It's time for a CZ fanboy to jump in. I think the best would be a nice steel frame, sa/da, CZ SP01 or one modified with a lighter alloy frame. Or if you want something smaller the P01. I agree the military is staying with 9mm.

I would say either a Glock 17 or 22. I can see us using 9mm again, but there's always the possibility of switching to .40 cal. I really don't see us using .45 again, so I don't understand why I see people still voting for it, when we get awesome capacity from 9mm and .40 cal.

The US will never adopt a Glock until they at a minimum add a manual safety and revise or do away with the unsafe "safe action" trigger system. And like has already been said, the Beretta M-9 will be around fro a long time due to the amount of money already invested in ammo and replacement parts. However, standard issue should join "spec ops" and switch to the Sig or possibly a CZ. They could even stay with the 9mm, but should go with a more effective caliber, not that the 9mm is not effective, it has served well for over 100 yrs, but there are better.

What's unsafe about their trigger?

Don't say "lack of a safety" because there are literally dozens of other pistols and every revolver but a couple of oddballs that don't have separate, on/off safeties.

If I get to pick, that means i'm in charge.
All my officers and NCO's get $700.00 and can have any production 9mm on my list.
At the end of their service they keep the pistol, which is A-ok anywhere in the USA.
Enlisted service members take home their issue weapon.
No more bitching about big grips, i'll feeling triggers, worn out weapons and the money saved in testing and lobbying for a new weapon is saved. Recruitment and retention is improved.

Earplug, you just suggested an absolute, logistical nightmare that would never work in a modern military the size of ours.

What do your officers and enlisted men do when they are in the mountains of Afghanistan and a spring in their pistol gives up the ghost? You going to keep parts in your supply chain for every pistol on your list? What about combat situations when one soldier's pistol runs dry and he needs a mag for his G17, but the man on his right is carrying a P229 and the guy on his left is running an XD?

Sounds like a good concept, but it quickly crumbles when you start applying Murphy's Law to it.

FIVETWOSEVEN, I think I might actually disagree with you that we'll be getting a new rifle first. The only way I see us replacing the M-16/M4 series rifles as our general issue service weapon, is if the LSAT program is reinstated and becomes a practical success. Even then I can easily see us just chambering LSAT ammunition in either the M-16 or in an M-16 with just enough modifications to allow the new ammunition to work.

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Well the DoD did recently purchase another bunch of M9 so they'll be hanging around for awhile. I have at least heard that there is a new requirement for the new service rifle and that it has to have hyper burst capability like the Russian AN 94.

The US will never adopt a Glock until they at a minimum add a manual safety and revise or do away with the unsafe "safe action" trigger system.

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It's not standard issue but our military uses Glocks. USAF Pilots are issued Glock 19s and SOCOM also plays with the Glock 19. The Glock's trigger is safe, it only fires when the trigger is pulled just like a revolver.

I shoot the Glock 21 the best of them all, so that's what I'd have. As for what everybody else should have? Well, I'm not so sure, but I like Glocks.

Smith & Wesson M&P full size .45 ACP. We need to get back to American handguns for our military and Smith & Wesson is finally making military quality semi-autos.

Fnp-45.

Mossberg Cruiser in shoulder holster.

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Is there some reason to change sidearms?

I would love to see a S&W .40 M&P but seeing what my guys do to our issuedM9's Im not sure a polymer frame could take the abuse from these chuckleheads

I would choose the H&K Tactical in .45 acp with a suppressor included with every weapon but that's me.

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The m9 is a mighty fine pistol. Used it in the core. If they were to replace it. I would want them to take on the sig p226.

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I dunno about you...but it was spelled CORPS when I was in....

My pick: Glock 21 Gen4. A full-size gun chambered in .45 ACP that holds 13+1. It's obviously very reliable and has great accuracy. And of course Glocks have been able to prove themselves in various conditions, which unfortunately the M9 has had some problems with.

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Untill Glock puts manual safeties on their guns, it will not happen. My choice would be something made in the US today, the FNP-45 Tactical.

Jim

Maybe I'm just an old jingoistic fart, but I feel the American military should use American firearms in American calibers. The S&W M&Ps and the Springfield XDs have proven themselves on the street, it's time the US Military bean counters to get rid of those sub caliber Italian pieces of crap and bring in an American made .45.

I thought XDs were imported from Croatia...

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beatledog7 I've had some experience in military requirements and procurement, and I'm pretty sure of four things:

1) The M9 will remain the standard sidearm for at least another 6-8 years.
2) Its replacement will be a US-manufactured gun.
3) Its replacement will still be chambered in 9mm.
4) Its replacement will still be a metal-framed DA/SA design with a manual safety.

My Pick: Something that has not yet been designed. If it were a horse race, my money would be on Ruger to win, S&W to place, Springfield to show.
And you would lose your shirt....Springfield Armory is an importer- and doesn't manufacture anything. If you believe your #1 above Springfield better build a factory here.

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Ever heard of Geneseo, Illionois? Springfield Armory has a factory there.

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Maybe I'm just an old jingoistic fart, but I feel the American military should use American firearms in American calibers. The S&W M&Ps and the Springfield XDs have proven themselves on the street, it's time the US Military bean counters to get rid of those sub caliber Italian pieces of crap and bring in an American made .45.

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The XD is imported from Croatia. Beretta has a plant in Maryland, pretty sure they make a good number of M9s there.

Be hard to replace something that replaced the 1911! Big shoes to fill, however in my opinion it filled it for a few simple reasons that are well known.

1) NATO compliance ,everyone else in alliance was using 9mm.
(actually makes sense in regards to the alliance)
2) More Capacity and less weight/carry ammo ratio
(obvious)
3) Easier to Field Strip
(obvious again)
4) SA/DA (my opinion here is each his own - I love cocked and locked on 1911 - and do not mind either platform - Bit 1911 triggers are a dream)

Just to name a few. It is above all a proven platform, and has proven itself in the field for 20 years now. With that said I think any DA/SA contender would suffer the same criticisms that the M9 has.

Maybe a SA only 9mm on 1911 platform with 15 rd capacity could compete, but I doubt it. It would seem that the powers that be decided SA only is not the best choice.

So to the questions:

1) The M9 will remain the standard sidearm for at least another 6-8 years.
Affirmitive.....probably a lot longer!
2) Its replacement will be a US-manufactured gun.
Oh politics!.....don't bet on it!
3) Its replacement will still be chambered in 9mm.
It will either be 9mm or most likely a Photon Plasma Generator!
4) Its replacement will still be a metal-framed DA/SA design with a manual safety. Most likely with exception of Photon Plasma Generator..it could probably be polymer.....