Guilt-Free Killing

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I do have another thread here about coyote hunting. Even though coyotes are part of this thread, the subject is broader.

This morning I went to our local bakery to get coffee and breakfast. Weekend mornings seems to bring darn near the whole town's population here. One of the regulars was in. He owns a lot of land around here and most of it is for cattle.

I was asking him about coyotes.

His rifle of choice is a Remington bolt action chambered in 17 Remington. He said ricochets don't happen and the bullets never exit the animal. Another person there asked him if he felt bad about shooting them.

He gave some graphic details of finding a newborn calf half eaten alive and having to destroy it because some coyote prefers his meat rare. He then said that whenever he shoots a deer, a cow, or most other animals he has a twinge of remorse. However, he has no such feelings when he pulls the trigger on a coyote. He will stop whatever he is doing when he spots one and he will do his best to put a bullet in it.

I got to thinking if there were any animals that I shoot guilt-free. I have yet to shoot a coyote, so I don't know how I will react. I shoot at jackrabbits every chance I get. When I do connect I do not feel any guilt or remorse.

Starlings are another species that gets no sympathy from me. I will shoot at one with whatever firearm I have in hand, provided it is a safe shot. While I wait for most birds to take flight before shooting, I will shoot a starling off a branch with a shotgun.

Here is my question.

Are there any creatures you shoot that do not effect your emotions? Animals that you shoot, no questions asked?
 
Every one of them is taken into consitteration BEFORE I shoot.

I am a Subsistance Hunter, and Im guilt free when I catch an animal at the appropriate time and I can make the most of him.

I have no problem with multipull catches to fill my meat rack, I eat them, and thats natural....... or to let them go on by because I have enough, the day is over, machines not running right, ect.

I dont feel bad finishing a Wolverine in a trap,as I will use his skin, although I dont eat him, but the same animal will just be watched ouut of season, and the trap unset.

All animals except Man eat their meat raw, and a cow calf to a Coyote or Wolf is no different than a Fawn deer, so Im way sure they dont have any remorse, just like the rancher who is protecting his $$$/animals and kills them. Thats just the way it is.
 
So, you guys have no twinges at all shooting any animal? Maybe guilt is not the right word. But when I pick up a quail that I have just, I feel something. When I shoot a starling out of the sky, I have no feelings, or at least different ones from the quail.

Here is another way of putting it.

Lets say I have shot a half dozen quail and am putting my gear away to go home. I hear some birds not too far away. I may decide to try for them, or maybe go home.

If I am out in the desert going after hares and am about to get into the car to go home, and I spot a distant jackrabbit, I will grab the gun, load it, and go after it.
 
Why would a man feel remorse for doing what he was created to do:

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
-- Genesis 1:26
 
ground squirrels, filthy diseased little things that will destroy crops. No remorse. I have never shot a deer, but would not feel remorseful for that as long as I used the food it provided.
 
Guilt? What is that, is that the thing that librals feel? LOL No I eat what I shoot, the only time I break that rule is when certain anamals are becomeing a hazard or destroying property (freal hogs/yotes/snakes). No guilt when I pull the trigger.
 
I grew up on a farm and shot it if it moved providing it was not claimed by someone to be a pet or live stock..Several years later in the military, you shot or got shot was the law of the land.....then I lived in a Buddhist country for three years...They have a different way of looking at all life. Do they and can they kill; you can bet your bippy but it is done for a need and a purpose and sport is not one of the reasons. All life has value especially to it's owner.

I still hunt feral hogs because in my mind ( and others ) they are a true destructive pest around these parts. Mosquitoes and and other bugs that invade my space had better be quick or they will be dead; but even at that I could never put one back together again.... I do not know how many pigs I have killed but I still marvel at their ability to survive and their pig smarts. Do I like killing them; dunno..Do I have fun....yes sometimes; but usually it is the company I keep about as much as the proverbial perfect shot.... It is just something that needs to be done and gets me out of the house and back out doors where I feel like I am accomplishing something.

I have had so many varmint pets in my life that it is hard looking at one and not remembering the other one of the same species that lived and played with me all those years back.

A culling needs to be done or much suffering will result due to lack of habitat or food/water resources for any species.

We could all step on a bug everyday for the rest of our lives and the ones that survived would just become quicker.

Depending on which source you want to believe somewhere between 98.5 and 99% of all life that has ever lived on this place we call earth is now extinct so maybe those who care or twinge at the thought of killing some critter might want to evaluate their own individual reasons for or against and make it their own individual informed opinion on what needs a killing. Whether you kill with respect and do a full blow 'ceremony of passage' over the body or just do it and laugh all the way to the freezer the choice is yours and is right for you.
 
I guess I pretty-much don't kill without a purpose. So, why should I feel any guilt?

There are food critters and there are pest critters. The food thing oughta be obvious to anybody. As far as coyotes? They compete with me for quail. Even so, I don't go out to blast as many coyotes as I can. I just try to hold down the numbers a little bit. No big deal.

As example of the pestiferousness of prairie dogs, they can cut an alfalfa farmer's income by 20% with no difficulty whatsoever. So...

Jackrabbits? In the event of a population explosion, the numbers can be incredible. Thirty years back, such an explosion occurred in northern Nevada and southwestern Idaho. In Idaho, farmers built vee-traps of net wire, way long in length. 200 to 300 people would gather and drive the jacks into the vee and use clubs. I and a buddy hunted out of Winnemucca one morning and in an hour from one location shot over a hundred--all within some 200 yards of the truck.

So: A valid reason? No remorse, no guilt.
 
Jackrabbits? In the event of a population explosion, the numbers can be incredible

Art the Jacks were some of the most fun hunting I have ever done. 40 kills in 20 minutes was more the norm than the exception. We did our hunting out of a jeep at night on private property. Stacked them up and waited on occasion for the yotes...which were way to smart for our misguided ways.
 
If I felt anything other than pure joy at my post in nature as apex predator, I'd not hunt. It's that simple. I'd let the slaughter houses do ALL my killing for me like the mind numbed populace does, and sit at home watching stick and ball sports on TV while everyone with a life is out there hunting during hunting season.

I like beatledog's post. :D
 
With all the effort I and my friends put into a hunt bringing back the game we pursued is half the fun. Then the other half of the hunt is achieved. Food preparation! I'm mostly a bird hunter and often am out on the prairie with friends or family in my camper. Fine birds are prepared in a manner that accentuates the natural flavor of that bird. Actually we make quite a big deal out of it and have a great time. The next day it begins all over and over until we have to go back home. No, I feel no guilt whatsoever. Without hunter's $'s there would be less money spent on wildlife. I'm secure knowing I've done my small part in preserving some of these birds. So, no guilt
 
Rats. And as for the rest, I don't feel guilt when I buy a steak in a store, I don't feel guilt when I harvest my meat my own self.
 
As long I am killing them for a reason, however, I won't shoot an animal when its young is with them, unless a life is in danger.
 
Wow, more coyote talk!

He gave some graphic details of finding a newborn calf half eaten alive and having to destroy it because some coyote prefers his meat rare. He then said that whenever he shoots a deer, a cow, or most other animals he has a twinge of remorse. However, he has no such feelings when he pulls the trigger on a coyote.

Come on...a coyote doesn't know what it is doing, it doesn't know what suffering is...it just wants a meal, and it is eating what is available to it. If a predator doesn't completely kill its prey, it's not because it is evil. I still can't believe some people think coyotes or other "pests" actually have harmful intentions, or any intentions at all besides getting something to eat. It is doing what it has evolved to do. Yes, EVOLVED.

WE DO NOT HOLD DOMINION OVER ALL ANIMALS, WE ARE ANIMALS.

Dominion is an excuse people use to slaughter and do what they will with other living things. If you don't want to hear comments like this from me, stop posting antiquated 2000 year old mythological quotes to pass off as an actual arguement.

Bring on the ignorant "liberal tree hugger PETA granola cruncher" comments...
 
I respect my animal in life and death. I watch them all year, hike to be fit, enjoy the scenery. I train with my rifle and when hunting season is here, it's all business. My animal has a better life than a cow or pig or chicken that is caged it's whole life only to end up in the local Albertson's. My animal is hunted ethically with respect to game laws, personal laws, and within the limits of my shooting ability. My animal is prepared to the best of my ability (note my username). I feel no remorse.
 
I have a hard time putting down my dogs.....but sometimes it needs to be done. Coons, coyotes, skunks, bobcats and god knows what else get my chickens so they are fair game. Deer and hogs go in the freezer as well as rabbits and a couple squirrels and it doesn't bother me a bit. If I ran around killing things just because, that would bother me.
 
WE DO NOT HOLD DOMINION OVER ALL ANIMALS, WE ARE ANIMALS.

Dominion is an excuse people use to slaughter and do what they will with other living things. If you don't want to hear comments like this from me, stop posting antiquated 2000 year old mythological quotes to pass off as an actual arguement.

Bring on the ignorant "liberal tree hugger PETA granola cruncher" comments...

Maybe you should lay off insulting other people's religious beliefs. I won't call you a liberal tree bugger PETA granola crunchier. No, you come across as someone who probably thinks he is quite tolerant of others, but actually isn't (as is quite apparent from your post).
 
Maybe you should lay off insulting other people's religious beliefs. I won't call you a liberal tree bugger PETA granola crunchier. No, you come across as someone who probably thinks he is quite tolerant of others, but actually isn't (as is quite apparent from your post).

Hey, you know what I am extremely tolerant as long as there is no suffering involved. If you have the right to use a Bible verse as an argument for killing whatever you want without remorse, I have just as much right to argue against it using whatever I personally believe.
 
Someone has to say it. I generally feel the same thing regardless of the species of critter...recoil.
 
Guilt comes into play when a person has committed a wrong that they recognize as a wrong. Remorse is a long term response to guilt.

To answer the question for me "no" on "guilt". I do understand that harvesting game is not a trivial matter, and the destruction of vermin is often a necessity, but no guilt involved.

LD
 
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