Raw venison

Hey Freedom fighter
just to let you know
yer a meat eating fool

I would posit that I have met as many if not more idiot meat eaters as I have vegetarians

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no wonder you have never met a nice vegetarian, we tend to avoid people like you
a vegetarian (and this is a health type NOT POLITICAL VEGAN (and yes we think they are idiots too, listen to the carrots scream and all that)

Needs to understand nutrition and the balanced diet and all that, and its part of the culture. Now we vegetarian come in ALL sorts of flavors, those who ONLY avoid *meat* and eat fish and poultry, those that avoid all meat (flesh of a once living animal) but eat animal products such as milk, cheese (oh where would I be with out my pizza) and for most to some bullion/broth. I personally don't freak out about broth, but some in my family studiously avoid it.

Then you have your vegans, and um...
yeah, I find too many are vegans for political or ideological reason and NOT nutritional.
even they come in flavors, some are just diet vegan and won't EAT animals or animal products (Jell-0, actually LOTS of additive are animal derived)
And they tend to be hated by the *REAL* vegans who won't touch use eat....

OH, and fool I hunt and fish, just cause I don't eat it doesn't mean I don't enjoy the sport, and my wife enjoys the food.

Uh Shadow, could you please show me where I said I'd never met a nice vegetarian? I said HEALTHY. I know, or have known, several very nice ones. Just not to bright They couldn't seem to figure out why they were always catching colds, weak, looked like Elmers glue, and weighed less than my left leg. Yet I, a "meat eating fool" as you so politely put it, was healthy as 2 horses, never get sick, good color, strong as the 2 horses that I am as healthy as . Now, I eat my green vegetables and have a pretty well balanced diet (I balance it on a plate as well as I can then go for seconds ) but I also have some form of meat with all 4 meals daily. I do avoid sugar as much as I can but on days when I am going to work out very heavily, I really load up on my carbs and my proteins. Along with potassium for good muscle fiber lubrication. See, not all of us omnivores are complete imbeciles when it comes to dietary menus

By the way, Kachok, I know there's a difference. I just lump them into the same profile for short. Not meaning to insult as I could really care less. To insult would mean I actually cared. If they want to go through life not enjoying what their bodies are designed for then so be it.

One could not bring herself to "eat anything that had a face",

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I've always found statements such as this insanely hypocritical. How is it that someone can think in this manner, yet think nothing of plopping a 2500 sq. ft. house down on a chunk of land that once supported wildlife?

35W

A friend of mine parachuted into the Canadian High Arctic to link up with Canadian Rangers (the opposite end of the testosterone spectrum of US Army Rangers) for a week living on the land. Local residents from small villages who sign on as reservists, issued a .303 rifle and ammo, and red cotton sweatshirt. Not parade smart - on the land smart!

Wayne said those guys kept his grunts more than alive with fresh caribou, tips on snow shelter building and fundamentals like how to take a dump at 40 below. He said the absolute best tasting meat they had was flash frozen raw caribou. Slice off thin panels, melt them in your mouth and start chewing.

Freedom, don't lump me in with a political vegan, and I've lived off the loony end of vegan (not by choice) and you are right, mass is difficult, or to put it technically, ensuring the dietary needs in less caloric dense (but very nutrient rich) foods for massing up is difficult, but then you can cheat like I did and just drink protein shakes (and they make vegan ones now, and no they don't taste good) and nuts, along with complete protein meals (and yes, you have to build it out of the meal and not a single source) and complex carbohydrates. Gaining 5 pounds of lean mass a month isn't hard, it just takes planning, I was eating egg whites when the other guys on my truck were eating kipper or oysters (least expensive form of protein at the PX, and from the smell of our truck I could tell you why)

Been there done that, and I have to say guys on a weight lifting diet are probably worse than some chicks trying to shed pounds. As for surviving off the land, just cause I don't like the taste don't mean I won't eat it to survive. Like I said, it's not a political thing, and I to avoid those type, as much as they may annoy you, they are ten times worse with a 'fellow' vegetarian. Really puts them off when I explain to them I hunt and fish.

My favorite is how to cook a vegetarian meal
it's easy, just take the meat out...

I dont figure i want to live to be a 100 anyway. At 55 my body is about wore out from back injurys from having to actually work for a living. Bottom line is id rather live 20 more years eating meat daily then live 50 more if all i could eat is vegetables!!! You wont see me peddling down the road wearing a helmet on my bicycle going to the veggy stand to get some brocoli for supper. Ill be the one wearing wool and going out with my rifle to bag some meat!!!

I wonder what their takes is on eating....raw oysters on the half shell?
I`ve been doing just that for "years" and I`m still here.

But, Sav .250, you weren't the FIRST fella to eat a raw oyster. That was the bravest fella who ever lived.

"raw oysters on the half shell?"

No animals or animal by-products at all for the hard core. There are a lot of them around here - VCU has 30k+ enrolled students plus the hordes of dropouts and grads that stick around, and there's UofR and VUU, etc.

GO RAMS.

I have a leather jacket I wear a lot and I like leather shoes and boots and I've always responded to complaints of 'How can you wear leather?' with, "I'm just cleaning up after McDonalds, the steer was already dead. There's no sense filling up the landfills with a good leather." Oddly enough, the ecology angle silences them 99 times out of 100.

John

I know, just tell your vegan friends to check out "Man Vs Wild". Bear Grylles turns my stomach on that show with the crap he eats, much of it raw.

I have no problem discussing vegan eating with omnivore eating. I do believe that we as a species have gotten to far into the "meat with every meal" way of thinking. We need to trim both our meat intake and portion size for everything.

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Ya know what, speak and eat for yourself. If I wanna eat venison, God's gift to man, I will. If the gubment gets into telling me what to eat, might be time to take up arms. I mean, we're going down that road now days. It's a slippery slope.

In fact it´s the reason our brain grew. Our vegetarian chimp-relatives
still sit in the trees.

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One nature show I was watching showed a troop of chimps running down some monkey and tearing it apart. Pretty gruesome to watch. They said chimps eat a lot of meat and have one of the highest predation success rates in nature, like up in the 80 percent range. So, don't PO a troop of chimps or get around some hungry ones.

Actually, it is harder for humans to digest raw meat versus cooked meat. Proteins are large molecules made up of amino acids (the stuff we need). Acid in our gut and other substances (like pepsin) break down the large protein molecules into smaller amino acid chains that are more readily available for absorption in the intestines. Raw meat is broken down and nutrients are absorbed, just not as efficiently or completely as when meat is cooked.

By cooking meat, the large protein molecules are denatured (broken down) and make sit so our intestines can absorb more nutrients than if the meat is eaten raw. Eggs are a good example. Think of uncooked egg whites; you can take a fork and hold one end of the whites and watch as the rest of it droop down but basically hang there. This is because the protein molecules in the egg are very long and hold together. Now take that egg and fry it; you can see the change happen (egg turns white and brittle). The proteins have denatured into much smaller pieces and are easier to digest. So when Rocky is drinking all those raw eggs while training, he's actually getting far less protein than he would if he would have taken the time to cook them, or at least beat or blend then. But then again, he was kind of a simpleton

I personally enjoy raw meat on occasion. I like my steaks medium rare, I eat pieces of jerky before they go on the dehydrator etc. I took a bite of elk liver this year, and I did enjoy it.

I know this is not real scientific...

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I haven't done raw eggs, but raw meat doesn't seem to bother me either. The raw meat I eat I've butchered myself and know it's been kept clean and cold. But the fact remains digestion is better when you cook it. It's largely the bacteria that upsets your stomach with raw meat as far as I know. Ever try eating earlier, or starting your workouts later?

Regardless, if you ate raw meat and raw eggs as your major protein sources while training, and you advanced and built muscle... must have been a pretty good indication that you were in fact absorbing protein from your largely raw diet. Of course vegans would argue, I am sure.

Cooking not only breaks down the proteins, is destroys them in part. You eat a 20 ounce steak that was cooked to "well done" temperature, then you will only be getting the protein value of about a 8 ounce (if that) rare. complex proteins are hard for the digestive track to absorb which is why we need to eat larger portions of whatever it is we are trying to gain from.

As I understand it the danger of eating raw meat comes from bacteria that gets on the outside surface if it sits out very long. A quick sear over the fire will steralize it. This is why you can safely eat bloody rare steak but not rare hamburger because bits of the outside surface get ground into the middle of the burger where the bacteria may not be killed by cooking.

Owen Sparks said:

As I understand it the danger of eating raw meat comes from bacteria that gets on the outside surface if it sits out very long. A quick sear over the fire will steralize it. This is why you can safely eat bloody rare steak but not rare hamburger because bits of the outside surface get ground into the middle of the burger where the bacteria may not be killed by cooking.

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Kinda, the issues with raw meat are handling (contamination with E. Coli, Salmonella etc.)
but also the endemic diseases and PARASITES that it can carry, look up beef tapeworm.

Freeze to -20 takes care of the parasite, well most, and that's what's done with sushi (one of the ways it's processed as truly 'raw' can't be sold in the US)

The second issue is that after cooking, there are no bacteria (if done correctly) so if the food becomes contaminated with something like Salmonella, there is no competition to prevent it from explosive growth.

I'll just continue to cook and enjoy my meat, much of it being pork which I cook well. I like my steaks a tad rare, I'll admit.

Somewhen in 1956 in Paris in a restaurant on the Champs Elysee, somebody at the next table had ordered steak tartare. Now, the basic idea of raw hamburger was only mildly off-putting. It was the raw egg in the middle which, er, uh, "Set me back a bit." Yeah, that'll work. Set me back a bit. Not quite the deal for a country kid from Travis County, Texas.

I dunno. I just figure that since Ol' Man Biology made us omnivores, my diet likely oughta be omni. I reckon that whatever works for seventy-seven years can't be all bad.

I am still alive and have been eating raw oysters, clams, Co-hogs, scallops and all types raw fish for as long as i can remember.

But, Sav .250, you weren't the FIRST fella to eat a raw oyster. That was the bravest fella who ever lived

Raw oysters, now there's some good stuff! I've been known to carry a bottle of cocktail sauce and an oyster knife in my boat in winter. Stop on a reef and pluck a snack from the placid blue waters of Lavaca Bay. I ain't dead, yet, either. I didn't think of raw oysters, but they're awesome.

I am on a strict vegetarian diet. Cows, deer, geese, and ducks are all vegetarians!

i do prefer mine kissed by an open flame tho....

newbuckeye said:

I am on a strict vegetarian diet. Cows, deer, geese, and ducks are all vegetarians!

i do prefer mine kissed by an open flame tho....

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Ducks & Geese are not vegetarians, they eat small fish, frogs & small snakes...........