New York City -- my travel experience

NYC "Dear Leader" does not care about the SCOTUS why would he care about the NRA?
But what would we know? All we do is watch NASCAR according to New Yorkers.
We be ignorant
And free............

(morse code) ... _ _ _ ... For that city

So, were you mugged? Did you need it? Were you or your loved ones raped or otherwise harmed in any way? Seems the answer is a big a no - and it is funny to read the nowheremen - folks who have NEVER been there whining about the place. I was born and raised there - maybe some of you folks could use some time in the museums, libraries art galleries and theaters. Knew what areas to stay out of, went to all the tourist spots AND the locals spots with NEVER an issue - not one, zero, zilch, nada

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Wow. You have a lot of nerve to presume someone is uneducated simply from them wishing to be prepared to defend themselves in a large urban area.

You don't know the OP.

You don't know his education level.

Stop presuming you do. Your comments were reprehensible and very un-High Road. I could turn the tables on you and say that you're "I'm more educated and better than you" attitude comes from your city-upbringing. But that would be rude and presumptuous of me. About as rude and presumptuous as your comments were.

Stop posting on The High Road. Go sit down someplace, collect your thoughts, recognize that your comments about the OP were about as below-the-belt as they could be without being ban-worthy, and come back when you've learned how to discuss topics like an adult. As enlightening as good museums and art can be, I'd take a break from them if I were you, and spend that time asking your parents to reteach you simple manners.

I know NYC and I also agree - it has some of the best food. culture, history, and PEOPLE of any place in this country

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If your rude and arrogant attitude towards the OP is any indication of how the citizens of New York City act, than sir, you and I have very different opinions on what makes one "best".

So, were you mugged? Did you need it? Were you or your loved ones raped or otherwise harmed in any way? Seems the answer is a big a no - and it is funny to read the nowheremen - folks who have NEVER been there whining about the place. I was born and raised there - maybe some of you folks could use some time in the museums, libraries art galleries and theaters. Knew what areas to stay out of, went to all the tourist spots AND the locals spots with NEVER an issue - not one, zero, zilch, nada

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I ran trucks into your wonderful city for many years, I didn't lose anything there, thus, I have no reason to return. Perhaps it's having to deal with people who were just as condescending as you that turned me off on coming there.

Well, as someone who lives about 40 miles east of NYC, who shot in a highpower match yesterday, and fired 100 rnds through my new NY neutered AK, some of us are still putting up the good fight. We are currently dealing with an attempt by the dems in the state assembly to add micro-stamping to the state budget bill. They are also attempting to ban all magazines over 10 rounds, including those manufactured prior to 1994. Where is the NRA? Good question. I suppose they are choosing to fight the battles they can win.

There have been recent discussions on our local forums about the same situation that the OP went through at LaGuardia. Unlike every other airport in the U.S., the airlines here feel obligated to involve NY Port Authority Police in a process that should be handled by the TSA. Properly licensed NY residents have put up with the harassment, but have made it clear that they are not violating any laws. I suppose it is more complicated for non-residents passing through the city's airports.

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So, were you mugged? Did you need it? Were you or your loved ones raped or otherwise harmed in any way? Seems the answer is a big a no - and it is funny to read the nowheremen - folks who have NEVER been there whining about the place. I was born and raised there - maybe some of you folks could use some time in the museums, libraries art galleries and theaters. Knew what areas to stay out of, went to all the tourist spots AND the locals spots with NEVER an issue - not one, zero, zilch, nada

so maybe the folks who have NEVER been there should refrain from posting gibberish about something they have no knowledge about

Is it Eden? Nope, sure isn't, and there are certainly places you do not want to be depending on your skin color or gender and time of day - but I can say that about ANY city bigger than 50,000 as well

But then these are the same folks who feel the need in their town to carry a gun into the shower with them or anywhere they go, even on their own property - just how safe or unsafe is that compared to NYC?

Johnny Dollar - I know NYC and I also agree - it has some of the best food. culture, history, and PEOPLE of any place in this country

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I have to think that attitudes like that are why the native Floridians say that ya'll Damn Yankees need to go back home and quit ruining their culture...

That is the truth.And being born 7 miles from the Empire State Building ,it will always be part of home to me.

The gun laws are ridiculous ,but at only 6 murders per 100,000 per capita,it is by far the safest very large city in America. Only San Diego and El Paso,much smaller ,are lower. Baltimore at 42 and Washington,D.C. at 31 are stunning comparisons. My home town of Miami is at 15.

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Austin, Texas (pop. 800,000) experienced 25 murders in 2011.

We have thousands of CHL carriers in the metro area of 1.8 million, so you can add us to your list of safer cities.

Never been hassled,so whats the problem ?

As stated I have carried in NYC too many times to bother worrying about it.

And I go well armed and have NEVER had a bad word or comment from the NYC P.D.

The culture and the trip is --- a trip.

You would not be sorry if you watch where you go and if allowed ,go healed.

btw,I have never had to even think about taking out my piece when there,but it is a real comfort to know that I have that option.

I live in NYS and that is another world,if you dont believe me -- then dont.

I was LEO in Western NY [ a city ] and it is NOT NYC and I thank the lord it aint.

BUT to visit a place such as that is a total amazing experience - especially Yankee stadium [ the new one rocks ].

Johnny Dollar - I know NYC and I also agree - it has some of the best food. culture, history, and PEOPLE of any place in this country

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I also found an interesting tidbit on Wikipedia about arrests being made at NYC airports for the possession of otherwise legally owned, stored, and checked firearms (scroll down to the non-resident section):

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What a city. Who wouldn't want to visit and spend their hard earned money in a city where the LEO's are told to harass and arrest law abiding citizens.

Oh and to presume that NYC is the only place in this country where one can become educated or cultured is beyond arrogant.

After reading your experience in NYC, <deleted>... It's difficult to believe that the sheeple up there allow that sort of infringements upon their natural born rights as free men to bear arms...

Last time I had the misfortune to fly into NYC, I carried, but I was not willing to find out how little NYC respected the Constitution, so I disassembled my handgun and sent it back home via UPS right before I drove to the airport. You would think that if NYC hated firearms so much, they would be glad that you were taking one out of their "city".

I have no respect for the LEOs who are enforcing the NYC regulations on firearms. These regulations are obviously unconstitutional since they clearly violate the SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED clause of the 2nd Amendment. To enforce these regulations, the officers are obviously morally-challenged at least. Of course, they will claim that they are just "doing their job" or "just following orders". Well, that excrement did not go over at Nuremberg and it doesn't fly now either. I avoid NY as much as possible, but if I'm there, I carry.

By the way, you will also spend the night at Rikers if a NYPD officer spots the pocket clip of your folding knife. I actually got nervous on line at the Museum of Natural History because of my 3.25 inch Gerber in my pocket. Oh what a city.

Meh...I just finished my supper and this post has severely disturbed my digestion.
Frankly,you could not melt me down and pour me into that place.
Good Lord.

My wife and I are going to D.C here in a few weeks. I have never been but we are going with family to visit the WWII memorial and Veitnam memorial and others. My wife originally wanted to extend our trip to include NYC. Thank the good lord I was able to talk her out of at least that part of the trip. I have no want or desire to go to either place. Much of my reasoning is that of the OP.

^^^ A nerve has been struck.

Maybe responses to this thread should be limited to those who actually have lived or visited there and not open to folks whose opinion is formed by Fox news, the Simpsons, or NASCAR

Or someone who has been there and seen it for what it is??

LOL. Actually I lived in Boston for ten years, London for 11 and LA for 9 before moving to Grand Cayman. My ranch is still in South Texas. Being called an idiot by you sir is a badge of honor for me.

In 1973, while on my honeymoon, we drove from Ohio into NY state with a handgun in the trunk. Interested in just how I should carry or keep the gun (the way I had it was legal in OH and PA), I called the NY sate police and inquired. They replied, "Where are you?" I mmediately hung up, and drove back into PA, as we were just touring at out leisure anyway. I have never been back, and that was 38 years ago. Apparently, bringing a pistol into NY state then even required a license and such.

The High Road. This thread's taking it.

Let's face it people.
Anytime someone feels like the home turf they are from is being bashed your gonna get a reaction(sorry sir for my poor grammar) whether it's NYC,Chicago,or south Texas(best deer hunting,hog hunting,varmint hunting in the world)whatever the case.
Frankly I would like to see NYC join most of us in America but at this time that is not in the cards.

Difficult to believe that someone would actually defend some place like NYC... If it is so great, why did they move away from it?

Civil Discussion

Gettin' kinda personal, aren't we lads?

Could we maybe set aside the personal jabs and insults and talk about, oh, I dunno, guns? Gun rights? Gun laws and regulations? Gun restrictions? Procedures for carrying guns in restrictive places?

I think this thread has just about used up my quota of gratuitous personal attacks for the week.

Tell you what, let's drop the insults and trash talk, and I won't bother going back through the thread to figure out who gets which infractions.

Deal?

deal

I all fairness, I've also seen The Godfather on numerous occasions. Back when the heads of the five familes were running things - now THAT would've been a GREAT time to go back and see NYC.

Ditto for Gangs of New York and 1863. The notion of a Confederate New Yawk is intriguing!

Well, as someone who lives about 40 miles east of NYC, who shot in a highpower match yesterday, and fired 100 rnds through my new NY neutered AK, some of us are still putting up the good fight. We are currently dealing with an attempt by the dems in the state assembly to add micro-stamping to the state budget bill. They are also attempting to ban all magazines over 10 rounds, including those manufactured prior to 1994. Where is the NRA? Good question. I suppose they are choosing to fight the battles they can win.

There have been recent discussions on our local forums about the same situation that the OP went through at LaGuardia. Unlike every other airport in the U.S., the airlines here feel obligated to involve NY Port Authority Police in a process that should be handled by the TSA. Properly licensed NY residents have put up with the harassment, but have made it clear that they are not violating any laws. I suppose it is more complicated for non-residents passing through the city's airports.

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You were shooting at the wrong targets. There is only one way to get the right to keep and bear arms in New York. Nothing will change until you stand up and and threaten the politicians. They will fold immediately because they know they only rule based upon consent.

Now, I do respect that you're trying to work within the law. Unfortunately, you're fighting a state constitution that lacks the right to keep and bear arms, a variety of state laws, and a whole bunch of really weird Federal laws and rulings designed to get around the Second Amendment.

Part of what is holding back the gun grabbers in Illinois is the southern counties have made it clear they will not accept more gun control laws. Perhaps the rural counties of New York need to do the same. It would be very nice to see a group of county executives and sheriffs stand up to New York City and threaten to refuse to enforce any gun laws. One hundred thousand people refusing the laws would send the politicians into a panic. We have not seen massive, systemic violence in this country since 1865 and any political/organizational knowledge regarding dealing with it is long forgotten. The reaction of ONE man openly carrying a handgun at an Obama protest showed me everything these people do is built on a house of cards.

Fortunately, SAF (Second Amendment Foundation) is initiating a case that challenges the use of the commerce clause to get around other amendments to the Constitution (see one of the February 2012 Guntalk shows with Allen Gotlieb). The bad commerce clause rulings in the the 1930's are the basis for most of the powers the Federal government has grabbed. I doubt they'll voluntarily undo the source of that power. Maybe I'm cynical, but I've seen enough to believe they'll rule in a very smarmy way. The courts have no interest in preserving liberty; they're only looking to extend their power (and the gravy train) for as long as possible.

I wish it were another way, but we're in this position because good people like you are few and far between in states like New York.