I think my home possibly got probed for burglary or a home invasion...

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ChCx2744

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Okay, please do not assume I am just a paranoid nut, this incident has me extremely on edge.

Earlier yesterday around 11am, someone rang my doorbell. I went to answer it and it was a young white woman with blonde hair, dressed professionally, no older than 25-30 years old. She claimed to be with our neighborhood's "home owner's association." She did not offer me a card. She advised me that they were "offering free air fresheners and carpet shampooing service." She then asked if she could enter my home to "look to see what kind of carpet" I had. I (stupidly) allowed her to come in. She followed me to my living room and started making small talk, such as "When was the last time you have your carpet cleaned? Is there a lady of the house I could talk to? Is there anyone else home?" I advised that I only vacuum and I only live with a room mate. She then asked for the can of Febreeze back, because it was "the only one she had" at the moment and that she would return later than evening around 6:30pm to have people shampoo our carpet. I think she may have noticed my gun in my waistband printing a little bit, and seemed a bit frantic to exit my house. I noticed that she was in a red car, but I could not make out what kind at the time. She never showed up, nor did anyone else at 6:30pm.

This afternoon, I left my house to do some errands. As I'm leaving the neighborhood, I notice a red Ford Focus parked near the entrance to the neighborhood with an African American gentleman sitting in it just looking around. I double back around the other side of the neighborhood so I can end up behind the car, pull up behind the car and write down the tag number. At time, the car starts up and he drives away.

I call the police and tell them about the car and about the suspicious encounter the previous day. They agreed to send a unit out to investigate. Nothing has come out of this incident so far, thankfully.

Here's my beef: How do I know the girl was not working with her boyfriend or somebody, scoping out homes for burglary? Why did she have to come inside my house to see what kind of carpet I had? I find it kind of suspicious how she handed me the febreeze can, but then took it back. I find it even more suspicious how she asked to come in my house to "see what kind of carpet I had." Of course nobody came later that day, which threw up all kinds of red flags. The suspicious vehicle the next day and the driver's quick exit just added to the suspicion.

Did I act too rashly? Am I over-analyzing something that is of no concern? Input is appreciated.
 
Sounds like a legit carpet cleaning cold call knock and talk to me...I had one knock on my door and ask me if I liked Coca-Cola. I said yes and he gave me a coupon for a free 2 liter, then went on to offer a free carpet cleaning demo. I pointed out I had hardwood floors. He snatched back the coupon and left...LOL.

I'd guess the guy in the car is just a coincidence.

I think you are over analyzing.
 
They will also often pose as missionaires or magazine salesmen too.

It is best not even to open the door. Talk through a peep hole or though a window near the door.

And keep your ACP handy in case she is the ploy to get in by the home invasion gang.

These people are looking for (1) the elderly and/or (2) single females.

Never open the door for anyone whom you were not expecting.

Or else you might likely become the next episode in Criminal Minds.
 
Yeah well...The girl noticed a bulge under my shirt (Trust me, she wasn't *that* attractive :rolleyes:) and also a loaded AR mag sitting on my coffee table. Maybe that let her know that this was probably the wrong house...Maybe she was a raving anti that got spooked and decided not to offer the services...Who knows. All I know is, anybody that wants to offer me free services from so and so company better have some visible logos, patches, hand me a card or at least have a marked vehicle...Or else I'm gonna have to politely pass. I let this one slip under my radar because it was a normal looking girl. Who's to say what I might have avoided?
 
I would not say legit "knock and talk". Homeowners associations do not go about offering cleaning services. Most are only concerned with the outer appearance of the home and property. (At least IME)
 
I would not say legit "knock and talk". Homeowners associations do not go about offering cleaning services. Most are only concerned with the outer appearance of the home and property. (At least IME)
Don't forget the HOA dues and other fees that they like to assess. HOAs are moneymaking organizations like any other. They have little to do with running a neighborhood aside from the money and the feeling of power it gives the small minded, greedy people that run them.
 
Don't forget the HOA dues and other fees that they like to assess.

Absolutely, but I have never even heard of that getting to the point of cleaning carpet (unless it is cleaning up carpet that has been left out for the trash) or anything else inside of the home.
 
We are in a rather private location. I'd be checking out their vehicle & try to get a plate number, almost take a picture right in front of them if need be. That knock & asking about 'directions' won't work here. If you want to make them nervous, look them over, don't say anything, & put your hand in your pocket.
 
You're right to be suspicious

I've always heard that there is no such thing as a coincidence. It doesn't sound legit to me and that she was casing the area. She said she was from the HOA, did you call them afterward to verify?

My neighborhood has had several break-ins with suspicious vehicles spotted. I try to get the license # of any the enter my driveway. And I don't open the door since there is a window right next to it.
 
I'd say you were being cased for a breakin. I would never let anyone into my house that I didn't ask to come.
 
I’d say you’re right to be suspicious. They were looking for an angle on you, maybe to sell you a service, maybe to rob you, maybe both. For whatever reason, sounds like she decided you were not the right target for whatever she was trying to accomplish.

May sound crazy, but after reading comments here, I’ve started getting photo copies of ID’s for anyone that’s working in or delivering into my home (like furniture delivery, not the deliveries that stop at the door). Date and reason for visit are noted. Most people look to feel uncomfortable about it and that suits me just fine. (Wife thinks I'm nuts :)).
 
Do you belong to a homeowners association? If so just check with them.

I take issue with you assuming that the black person in the car on a public street was up to no good. It sounds like the same attitude that got the Martin kid killed. I would be watching for vans as they blend in better in the neighborhood and leave the race thing totally out of it.
 
"Don't put your business in the street."

ChCx2744 wrote:
Yeah well...The girl noticed a bulge under my shirt (Trust me, she wasn't *that* attractive ) and also a loaded AR mag sitting on my coffee table. Maybe that let her know that this was probably the wrong house...

Au contraire; you let her know it was precisely the right house to score some guns!

It sounds to me as if you made two mistakes: 1) opening the door and letting her inside your house, and 2) allowing her to see your sidearm printing and your AR mag on the coffee table. It also doesn't help that you told her how many people live there.

It's almost as if someone knocked on your door and said "I'm casing your house", and you said, "Great! C'mon in and I'll help you!"

In sales (door-to-door or otherwise), the ideal prospect is called a "mooch". That's because it's easy to sell somebody who thinks he's getting "something for nothing". That's why so many sales pitches begin with a "free" something-or-other.

So when somebody knocks on your door and offers you a "free carpet cleaning" or a "free" whatever, don't be a mooch and don't take the bait. Because, if you do, one way or another, it's gonna cost you.

Why Oh Why would you supply information about your home, your possessions, your lifestyle or your habits to people who have absolutely no need to know?
 
The "friendly neighborhood Kirby salesman" started his presentation for me a year or so back by handing me a can of Febreze. Our encounter took place under our carport, so he never came in my house, but I was pretty rude to him anyway.

Door to door sales should be against the law. There's no call for it any more. Maybe I'm fired up because I got the "two random dudes in a pickup truck selling steaks out of a chest freezer" thing tonight. I was pretty rude to them too.

:banghead:
 
BSA1 said:
I take issue with you assuming that the black person in the car on a public street was up to no good. It sounds like the same attitude that got the Martin kid killed. I would be watching for vans as they blend in better in the neighborhood and leave the race thing totally out of it.

My fault, I shouldn't have mentioned his race, I was simply trying to paint a picture so the readers could understand what I saw. It isn't a race issue. It's a suspicious person issue. He could have been asian, white, black or hispanic...The fact is, the guy abruptly left right after I pulled up behind him to write down his plate number. That alone is a red flag to me. It was also a very similar vehicle to the one I saw the previous day in my driveway that the girl was in. Who's to say he could have been in conjunction with her? Who's to say he's a completely different person meeting someone else in my neighborhood to do a drug transaction? Who knows. All I know is, I was suspicious, recorded the plate and called the police.

My gut feeling tells me that I did, indeed, avoid something.
 
I find it even more suspicious how she asked to come in my house to "see what kind of carpet I had."
Ever heard the term, "foot in the door"? It's much more difficult to get rid of a salesperson that has started their pitch once you've agreed to let them in. It's just like a car dealer who says, "How about we sit in this one?" followed by, "Let me get a copy of your license and we'll take a quick spin," then "Since I've got your information, why don't I see what kind of financing we can get you..." The HOA part was probably just a line, not unlike the guy selling bug spray used on me a few days ago when he said, "Do you know so-and-so on the corner, he just signed up and we figured while we were in the neighborhood we could off you a discount since we'll have a truck in the area..." Likewise, the free cleaning was likely for one room and since they already were there, they'd give you a great deal on the other rooms.

I suspect on some carpet cleaning forum there is a woman who is posting about a close call with some guy who had a gun and how she barely escaped part way into her pitch. :)

Who's to say he could have been in conjunction with her? Who's to say he's a completely different person meeting someone else in my neighborhood to do a drug transaction? Who knows.
Or maybe just a guy who was looking up directions on his phone, responding to a text, trying to find an address, or anything else.

Hell, I bet if he posted in this forum and said, "I was picking up a coworker at his new house and couldn't find the address. I pulled over to text him and while I was stopped waiting for the response this guy drove past me. A minute later, the same car had gone around the block and pulled up behind me. That seemed suspicious so I left. Did I act too rashly?", he'd get a bunch of replies saying that you were a possible attacker and he did the right thing.

Eye of the beholder and all...
 
wrigh003 wrote:
The "friendly neighborhood Kirby salesman" started his presentation for me a year or so back by handing me a can of Febreze. Our encounter took place under our carport, so he never came in my house, but I was pretty rude to him anyway.

Door to door sales should be against the law. There's no call for it any more. Maybe I'm fired up because I got the "two random dudes in a pickup truck selling steaks out of a chest freezer" thing tonight. I was pretty rude to them too.

"Door-to-door sales should be against the law"??
Are you serious?

Listen, this may sound like a contradiction of my earlier post, but door-to-door sales is a tough way to make a living, and while you can refuse to answer the door, or firmly tell them you're not interested, you don't have to make it any tougher. For many, it's a way to break into sales, and a way to learn to handle rejection, which is a major factor in most types of sales.

Most transactions can be handled at the door, without any need for them to come inside. Just use your judgement about who seems legit and who makes your "spidey-sense" tingle before you decide to even step out and talk to them on your porch.

Folks who need to come in (like carpet cleaners and alarm salesmen) can (and usually will) call and make an appointment. "Cold calls" for such products and services are
rare and may seem hinky. But there are plenty of folks trying to make a legitimate living knocking on doors, like the guys selling steaks out of a pickup. Unless they're rude to you, there's no need to be rude to them, even if you're telling them "'Sorry, but good luck at the next house!"

Your first duty is to protect your home and your family's safety, so trust your gut. But I just don't believe in giving a guy a hard time when he's trying to make a living.
 
The "friendly neighborhood Kirby salesman" started his presentation for me a year or so back by handing me a can of Febreze. Our encounter took place under our carport, so he never came in my house, but I was pretty rude to him anyway.

Door to door sales should be against the law. There's no call for it any more. Maybe I'm fired up because I got the "two random dudes in a pickup truck selling steaks out of a chest freezer" thing tonight. I was pretty rude to them too.

:banghead:
While I agree that door to door sales are annoying, being rude is hardly called for. Some people are just trying to put food on the table.
Not to say that a lot of sales people are 'unsavory folks', but there's nothing wrong with politely declining.

Still wouldn't let them in my house :)
 
The first mistake was opening the door.

The second mistake was the rifle mag on the table.

There is a good chance you will next experience a mid-afternoon gun burglary.

Somebody just went to a lot of time and trouble to eyeball-recon your place.

I hope you have a gun safe. If not, you should lock everything in your car trunk, the only other place the guns would now be safe while in your parking lot at work when you are not home.

Gun safes are great because they thwart small time burglars. Most thieves do not carry around industrial blow torches or drills in their backpacks with them. Only a crowbar and a crescent wrench. And it takes more than a crow bar and crescent wrench to break into a gun safe.
 
Unless I expect you....I don't answer the door......if you don't like that you can lodge a complaint with our 4yr. old male 98lb. GS......he'll be to give you his undivided attention.
 
RINGOLEVIO - ""Door-to-door sales should be against the law"??
Are you serious?"

Ringolevio, you beat me to it.

All we need are more Govt. laws, regulations, rules, and restrictions. :fire:

As you said, most door-to-door salesmen and women are just trying to put food on the table, working in a very difficult and not too rewarding job.

That is why I am polite to both phone and personal solicitations. A firm but polite "No thank you," is all that's needed. Works on both legitimate salesmen and also the "scammers."

L.W.
 
Had the Kerby folks show up once and we told them we wouldn't buy. The 'Lead" was a cute blond with the bottle of free something. They vacuumed the whole living room and hall before they'd had enough.:neener:
best,
Rob
 
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