Bullpups: The new hotness or the new Colt 2000?

IIRC the kel-tec line from way back when was that you're supposed to pull the magazine, flip the rifle over and access the breech through the magazine well.

Not exactly the most streamlined process, but it is something.

Also, the F2000 and RFB forward ejection work rather differently. In the F2000 the bolt loads the case into this big white plastic thing called the "switch." If you look at the patent:

http://www.google.com/patents/US5675924

You can see that there isn't really anywhere for the round to go except into that chute.

In the RFB the round is being held by two big extractors at the base. There's nothing holding the body of the case.

IIRC the kel-tec line from way back when was that you're supposed to pull the magazine, flip the rifle over and access the breech through the magazine well.

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If the jam doesn't fall out when you yank the magazine and shake the gun, access through the mag well is impossible unless you have alien-like long skinny fingers. I've pried a few out with a screwdriver, but most required disassembly to get back into action. Thankfully, since the third return to Kel-Tec I've not had a jam requiring disassembly -- the empties have all fallen out with the mag, but 196 rounds between failures is my current "record" (but its been < 400 rounds since the third return) . Gun is currently out of action because spot welds on the bolt carrier have broken giving one of the recoil springs nothing to push against to move the carrier back into firing position

You can see that there isn't really anywhere for the round to go except into that chute.

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Except for when it doesn't and jams up but good! Bit of a disconnect between how it is supposed to "always" work vs. what happens when it doesn't.

Photos of the failures have been posted here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=609288

The PS90 addresses two of those but people who use them (or, really, the 10" P90) in real life apparently teach and train to use an entire magazine on each target due to the limited effectiveness of that round. Not so good.

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Um, i'm a little doubtful anybody is being trained to dump a 50 round mag into a single person. It would probably raise a few eyebrows if an LEO did that.

Well, the thread title is a bit misleading. Had my hopes up.

I owned a FA AUG, sold it when the prices went apesh*t. Decided I would rather have 7 or 8 times what I paid for it than an expensive to feed toy...lol. But without a doubt it is the best of the bullpup designs in my opinion. Took just a couple minutes to change over for a leftie or change back, trigger was very easy to control for single shots or full auto, and once you got use to the ergonomics it was a very fast handling carbine. I would not mind owning a semi version at some point.

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Um, i'm a little doubtful anybody is being trained to dump a 50 round mag into a single person. It would probably raise a few eyebrows if an LEO did that.

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The agencies that use it I reckon aren't interested in minimum effective force when needing to use it, but rather a high volume of suppression fire. Ex: Secret Service

Again, I reckon.

Um, i'm a little doubtful anybody is being trained to dump a 50 round mag into a single person. It would probably raise a few eyebrows if an LEO did that.

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http://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1122245&postcount=2

The "hose until they drop" info is specifically about the HK MP7, but its round is comparable in effectiveness to the FN P90. The post is written by Dr. Gary Roberts, who is currently THE authority on small-arms wounding effectiveness.

You can see that there isn't really anywhere for the round to go except into that chute.

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Except for when it doesn't and jams up but good! Bit of a disconnect between how it is supposed to "always" work vs. what happens when it doesn't.

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He's talking about the F2000, not the RFB.