Revolver vs. Auto loader

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I am moving to TN next month and have a CCW card. I know that there are pros and cons to auto loaders and revolvers. currently i am thinking of using an FNX40 but was considering a snub nose .357 also (i know ill loose energy and power with the snubbie .) i was thinking about capacity of a revolver being a negative but the reliability being a plus. what are some pros and cons that i may have not thought about. im not sold on a particular brand like glock or ruger as i am just interested in the pros and cons of each type of firearm, revolver vs autoloader.

thank you all in advance.
 
This might be a question that you personally have to solve for yourself. Here's why:

The Revolver versus Autoloader debate has been and will be raging until they come out with something different. And then it'll be Revolver, versus Autoloader versus WhateverCameOut.

Secondly, you're talking totally different classes of guns. An FNX40 is a full sized duty handgun.
A .357 snubbie is well ... a snubbie.

You're essentially asking "What's better? The gas mileage on a Yaris or the speed on a Testarossa?"
 
i agree it is a personal choice and it is a stretch in caliber as caliber is not very important to me i was thinking more on functionality like jamming and other issues each type possesses. i feel comfortable with both, but it needs to be very rugged and i am moving to a relatively bad area.
 
A crappy revolver will be just about as unreliable as a crappy autoloader? But to be honest since you're already questioning that an autoloader can be as reliable as a revolver, I think for your piece of mind you should stick with a revolver. There's no replacement for your faith in your weapon. 8) Make sure to still stick with the big names though. 8)
 
The revolver seems to be best considered for pocket carry. (LCR size)

For me, IWB is going to be a semi
 
I like and generally prefer revolvers, not because of "inherent reliability"...it's just because I like revolvers. Easy to use.

I have a ccw revolver that I had to remove the internal lock because the recoil made it occasionally lock up to the point that I had to remove the side plate. Also, the same revolver had the cylinder sieze up from bullet creep from the high recoil. Conversely, I have a semi-auto that has more rounds through it than this revolver and has never had a failure...yet.

Every gun is mechanical and will fail, at some point (maintenance is a must with both designs). Semi-auto's may tend to be more ammo sensitive for operation than revolvers....BUT, when I have had a revolver jam, there has frequently been some gunsmithing needed...probably inconvenient in a gunfight.

Pick what suits your needs....hell, get both.
 
I went shooting this weekend with my Taurus 731 UL .32 H&R Mag 2" stubbie.

While shooting rapid fire one round didn't fire. I pulled the trigger and the next one did. On the second go without stopping the round that didn't fire now fired.

I never took my muzzle off target when I had a misfire. I just moved on to the next round.
Not so with most auto-loaders.
 
and i am moving to a relatively bad area
This is the most telling statement in your post.

If I were "moving to a bad area" I'd want the capacity of a double-stack semi auto...and I'd want the reliability of a reviolver...and I'd want a powerful cartridge (like a .45acp). Not easy to find something that fulfills all of these requirements.

As a wise man once said (and I am paraphrasing) the best tactic for carrying in a "bad area" is actually a strategy...that being, not going there in the first place.

To summarize, perhaps most of all, I'd choose to live somewhere else.

A good strategy beats good tactics every day of the week. :)

I understand that this may be easier said than done, that economics are probably a factor in your decision, and my solution may not be workable in the short term. But please keep it in mind and try to make it work for you long-term...

Best, Rich
 
mikefor,

For many years I have pondered this question. I grew up with Colt 'O' and Smith 'K' frames and I know them well, very well.

Over the time I've gone through 1911s, S&W N,L,K,J, various DA/SA autos, P-35s, Glocks, Colt DS and Official Police, etc... Shot them all, owed them all, competed with many of them.

Now self-defense is not some 21 Ninja attack. It is not Korean Chinese hordes coming over the brestworks, it is not Viet Cong sappers in the wire.

Self-defense will be close, fast, and with just a few attackers.

Your SKILL with whatever you pick is so much more important than revolver .vs. simi-auto debate. Look at the 1930s with Jelly Bryce and Frank Hammer. They didn't have those wonder nines yet they faced BARs and Tommy guns (though they sometimes had BARs and Thompson subs to.. don't be stupid if you can get a long gun, get one before the fight!)

If you can shoot, shoot fast and strait, six will do.

If you shoot badly and slow, it won't matter.

It is only in the in-between ground that a simi-auto gives you an edge. If you are just a fair shot you will find the simi-auto easier to get good hits with.

So what you pack will depend alot on you.

What do I pack? Glock 26 size simi-autos and S&W J .38s. I shoot often with practice versions of my carry guns and I reload my own practice ammo. I even hanker to pack my Speed Six .357 in the winter cause it fits me so well and I shoot it with either hand.

But if I just got to practice a few times each year shooter I'm probably go to just a mid-sized simi-auto and be done with it.

Not because it holds a bunch of ammo, but because it easier to shoot well with limited practice.

Deaf
 
I've only got a couple of years firearms experience but already own lots of autoloaders and revolvers. I've found autoloaders highly reliable though in some cases they need a break-in period; if operated for 200 rounds or more with no malfunctions with my carry ammo, I am happy carrying an autoloader. I have found you have to be careful not to limp wrist with some autoloaders. My revolvers have never failed to fire on the first few shots (and for several reloads) but I've a few revolvers that jam up when they get really hot -- though that's academic in nearly all self-defense scenarios (especially as I rarely carry a reload anyway). I'm inclined to think that revolvers have a slight edge for reliability under CCW conditions. Though I find I am more accurate with autoloaders for some reason. Another point is that very concealable autoloaders don't usually hold much more ammo than a revolver.

Your ability to conceal the gun in the clothes you wear on a daily basis is a vital consideration. I wear light business casual clothing most of the time and I find a 357 snubbie in a pocket holster very practical. I don't have any pocket-sized autoloaders but there are some on the market and I would be happy to carry one subject to it passing a 200-round test with my carry ammo.

I guess I'm saying that there are respectable choices in both autoloaders and revolvers. In both cases, you would want a gun that you have personally proven to be highly reliable. But you don't want something so bulky that you can't conceal it in the type of clothing you normally wear.
 
If I was moving to a bad area I would pick a small single stack auto. Something in a pocket size probably. That's the thing though, that's what I would pick.

Pick whatever you are the most comfortable with. Something you trust and have confidence with is better than any other option in my opinion.
 
I don't think I've posted this in awhile....My humble thoughts on the matter:

I started out shooting revolvers many years ago. Revolvers were quite reliable to work with and then along came the autos with new improved designs, better ammunition performance and greater capacity. In truth, I felt that the reliability of the auto finally came up to a level of what I felt was the tactical equivalency of well maintained revolvers and so I began to carry an auto.

Here are some random observations I have discovered about the two weapon systems. Revolvers will occasionally malfunction and so will autos. I accept the fact that a high quality auto is just as likely, or unlikely, to break a part that stops the gun from functioning, just as any high quality revolver would should it experience catastrophic failure of a particular part. I have actually broken more parts in autos than revolvers, but I can attribute that to sheer luck. Slide stops have broken, firing pins have broken, but statistically, I would argue that neither one is likely to just "break" when you need it.

On the few occasions that I have had a revolver stop working, it was a cumulative effect of shooting. It started to get dirty, crap under the extractor star, the barrel cylinder gap got lead and powder residue, the chambers got sticky from lots of .38's and then having to force a .357 into the chamber. In other words, most of the problems came on slowly. I knew eventually the gun was going to stop working because of the indicators it gave; such as the trigger pull beginning to feel heavy or the bind I felt when attempting to close the cylinder.

However, there were times that for no apparent reason, a clean, well-lubed auto, would sometimes just not feed, fire, or eject a round. The bullet nose would catch on the feed-ramp, an empty round would fail to get out of the way of the next round, or there would be some other type of failure that seemed to occur randomly, and without warning.

Standing on the line, at the range, neither gun failed very often. Nice firm grip, dry hands, locked wrists, all is well in the world of hand-gunning. But, in the neat world of tactical hand-gunning when a deadly force confrontation erupts, we know that it is anything but a static situation or under perfect conditions!

Recently, I have watched a few episodes of "Under Fire" on Court TV. Autos, good quality (and, hopefully) well maintained autos, sometimes crap out in the middle of a gunfight. These incidents can be attributed to such things as: a weak one-handed grip, or perhaps coming out of battery when rolling around on the ground, or when the weapon is shoved against the bad guy, or whatever else that can impact a weapon system in a serious close quarter fight. The auto needs a solid platform to work off of. In the real world of close quarter fighting you must remember this should your weapon malfunction!

At distances where the Officer could maneuver, even though it was still in close proximity to the suspect, the auto rarely seemed to jam. But, if the fight closed all the way down to contact distance, then there is the chance that the auto could turn into a single shot weapon.

As an example of this, there is one particular episode that comes to mind involving an Officer fighting with an experienced, no-nonsense boxer, that was about to beat the Officer to death. Finally, the Officer drew his pistol and got off one shot into the BG's midsection with little effect, and, the gun jammed on the first shot! The BG then grabbed the gun and beat the Officer with it and tossed it. The Officer was able to pick it back up later in the fight. (Interesting video if you ever get a chance to see it.)

On duty, I have to carry a Glock 35. And, I'm not sure I am ready to give up the general reliability, magazine capacity, and ease of shooting of a good auto for the vast majority of shooting situations. But, as a backup, I carry a 642. And, it seems a lot of others are big fans of the little revolvers as backup guns as well.

Off duty, I find myself carrying a 3" S&W M65 more and more. I envision an off duty encounter being a very fast fight that turns into a gunfight. Bad guy rushing you with a knife, BG jumping you, knocking you down and attacking you, two guys pinning you into a corner and the fight is on. Capacity becomes secondary to utter reliability for me at that point. I can still get good hits with a revolver out to 25 yards or so, if I have to, but it's not really something I see happening. Truth be known, the odds of needing a gun at all are pretty remote, but if we are the kind of individual with the right tactical mindset, then we should plan for those unexpected events and be ready for it.

So, what are some other's thoughts? Have you taken your favorite defense auto out to the range, held it with your left hand, bent your wrist and elbow and tried getting off as many shots as you could? Have you held it upside down, or covered your hands in soapy water and then tried to shoot through an entire magazine? Have you tried shoving it into the target to see if it gets pushed out of battery? The question then is - did it jam after the first shot? I have personally done all those things and found that the reliability of a quality auto weapon went downhill.

It seems that most autos jam during the feeding and ejecting cycle. That's the one part that you do manually before and after the festivities with a revolver. During a gunfight, a revolver cannot have a feeding malfunction or an ejection malfunction. I realize that clearing an auto jam is a lot faster than clearing a revolver jam. But, that really cool "Tap-rack-bang" that you practice on the range really needs that off hand to work. If that off hand is keeping a box cutter off your throat, things go downhill in a hurry.

This is not to say if you are carrying a revolver that you couldn't experience a malfunction with it as well. As an example, I am talking about something like a high primer, making it difficult to pull through on the trigger. To combat this effect - pull the trigger REALLY hard, it just may go bang again! There are pros and cons to both of these weapon systems.

If these thoughts get a few people to thinking, and helps you to become more aware of your own abilities as well as your weapon's capabilities and limitations, then great. If it just makes you train harder, for what YOU consider a real world gunfight, even better. Remember: practice hard, practice often and be safe. Best regard to you all.
 
Sounds like you need a gun that you WILL actually carry. Full sized pistols are not ideal. A subcompact or compact with do the trick. What actually will be comfortable to carry is critical.

Problem between the two choices is firepower of the auto versus a 5 shot revolver. Even armed you must realize the pitfalls of shooting a person. It is doubtful that you will be in a gunfight, unless you're just wandering in the wrong part of town.

Good concealed carry guns include the Glock 23/27/19/26, Sig P938, S&W 442/640, Ruger SP101, and my personal stretch, the S&W 8 round Performance Center 627.
 
sgt127,

thank you very much. that is alot to think about. I have never turned my firearm upside down, did soapy water or press it to a target. i did find out though if i stick a hollow point with a large hollow section, it will catch the feed ramp, but polymer tips work fine. as some of the other posters mentioned, i wish i could stay out of that area but i un fortunately have a house there and tried to move as the neighborhood got gang infested, now due to finances and bad renters i have to go back. i am definitely concerned about safety as there was a murder just 3 blocks away from my home a few months before i left. i am hopeful and pray that i go my whole life with out having to pull a weapon as ones life changes forever and not for the better. i think after reading, i am still torn but i do like the revolver idea as i am certainly no gun expert, or self defense expert. i have alot to learn and am always happy to learn from others and their experiences and opinions. thank you
 
Statistics, FWIW...

A revolver may SOMETIMES function when an auto may not (bad round), but a traditional revolver will NEVER hold as many rounds as a modern design auto.
 
I am moving to TN next month and have a CCW card. I know that there are pros and cons to auto loaders and revolvers. currently i am thinking of using an FNX40 but was considering a snub nose .357 also (i know ill loose energy and power with the snubbie .) i was thinking about capacity of a revolver being a negative but the reliability being a plus. what are some pros and cons that i may have not thought about. im not sold on a particular brand like glock or ruger as i am just interested in the pros and cons of each type of firearm, revolver vs autoloader.

thank you all in advance.

You're asking questions, which is good, but you're asking the right questions, which is even better. You didn't mention if you'll have multiple weapons or just one "all arounder", so you might clarify that for us. For me, when I know I'm going to a "bad area", I prefer a big caliber and more capacity, such as my 1911 or one of my Glock's, but I often hear people say they will carry a micro .380 or .32 when running to the store or gas station for a Coke, and they often forget that these places are statistically hold up mecca's for thugs. Whatever you carry,be proficient with it and carry a minimum of 2 reloads, and possibly have access to a second gun in your car. I also carry extra ammo in my vheicles for my .45, .38, and even my SA .45 Colt!

LD
 
Great post Sgt127! I might add snubbys often get compared to duty sized semis when it comes to capacity and reliability but when compared with true pocket autos the semis have a lot of feeding issues and much less capacity than full size autos.
 
In your situation I would definitely carry a New York reload, one of each or both the same, whichever two you were most comfortable with.
 
I am moving to TN next month and have a CCW card. I know that there are pros and cons to auto loaders and revolvers. currently i am thinking of using an FNX40 but was considering a snub nose .357 also (i know ill loose energy and power with the snubbie .) i was thinking about capacity of a revolver being a negative but the reliability being a plus. what are some pros and cons that i may have not thought about. im not sold on a particular brand like glock or ruger as i am just interested in the pros and cons of each type of firearm, revolver vs autoloader.

thank you all in advance.
I vote revolver, I have revolvers that hold 8 & 9 rounds, besides my .327 mag. will out-perform a .40 any day..............
 
I think it is MUCH more important to practice with the handgun that you will use as CCW. It does not help if you have 100rounds but it takes you 10 sec to get to the target or you do not hit anything. For my personal preferance I just find to easier to land bullets on target with a full size auto, but I have seen many guys shoot a Revolver really really well to the point where it does not make difference. Bad guys tend to loose interest when his mates start developing leaks in the head and hart.
 
I am moving to TN next month and have a CCW card. I know that there are pros and cons to auto loaders and revolvers. currently i am thinking of using an FNX40 but was considering a snub nose .357 also (i know ill loose energy and power with the snubbie .) i was thinking about capacity of a revolver being a negative but the reliability being a plus. what are some pros and cons that i may have not thought about. im not sold on a particular brand like glock or ruger as i am just interested in the pros and cons of each type of firearm, revolver vs autoloader.

thank you all in advance.
With availability of many modern compact and sub-compact pistols the revolver has nothing going for it. When I think of revolver ole' granny in armchair comes to mind. Looking at revolver speed-loaders and strips for reloads makes me cringe.
 
The only revolver I would consider is S&W 386P. These are the best CCW revolvers one can carry but having scandium frames and titanium cylinders makes them dreadfully expensive to buy.
PS. You will be facing PT92 and Ruger P Series the most popular handguns in the neighborhooood.
 
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The eternal question, right up there with Ginger or Mary Ann. Both work, just pick the one that works best for you.
 
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