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In light of the conversations on the topics of wildfires and their effects and or connections to shooting we have this gem outa my fine state.

So, some of the particulars:

We had one of our driest winters on record
We are going through the same for the spring
We've already had a couple of doozies of fires here in Az

And this brain-trust goes out into the desert to shoot and uses Fiocchi incendiary rounds with a fire/flame warning.

A big thanks out to the manufacturer, retailer and last but not least - the short thinkin' party boys who all got together to give us this one.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/arizona-forest-fire-879543
 
brboyer said:
Why would you place any blame on the manufacturer or retailer, for this dim bulb's, presumably drunken, lack of common sense?
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For my part... because incendiary/tracer 12 gauge is a bit silly.

I won't and never have sold or traded in any tracer/incendiary ammo given the damage I've seen caused by it already.

Though it does have a use - I don't see it on the civilian side. Nothin' but a trouble magnet lookin' for something to stick to.
 
Could be fun to have tracer ammo for nighttime plinking if you aren't a smeghead about it. i.e. on a range with a berm that does NOT include dry brush. Just my 2c
 
We talk about rights a lot, but they carry RESPONSIBILITIES to behave safely. It's this sort of thing that's going to force all of us eventually to use nothing but indoor, pay by the hour ranges.
 
Yes, I agree - blame the manufacturer for selling a product that had a demand, that had a very clear warning on it for the actions of one dummy that chose to not follow common sense, nor the warnings printed on the box of ammo.

And yes, definitely blame the retailer too. They are not blame free here. Selling a legal product? Can you believe the nerve?
 
Museums and history books are full of items which used to be legal to manufacture and sell - I still don't see it absolving anyone of responsibility for a product just because it was legal at the time doesn't make it a good idea or in some cases even right.
 
I can't even comprehend your points in blaming a company for producing a product that is misused by consumers.
 
If we blame the manufacturer and retailer for the fire (and the beer people), we better all blame the boys (and girls ;) ) at Remington, Glock, Mossberg, and others that have had their guns used in crimes :uhoh:

Oh wait, people are already doing that :rolleyes:

Its pretty obvious who's fault this is.

- TNG
 
Wow. I'll just bow out with the recognition that some folk can't "comprehend" that there might be an accountability and responsibility on the part of a manufacturer for presenting a product so completely unnecessary on the civilian market and so open to misuse.
I'm sure many of the short thinkers would be all over the manufacturer if it were possible for the round to damage their weapon whether through mis-use or not. Or, if the manufacturer or retailer didn't answer their phones within a perceived timely manner or resolve a customer complaint in a bent-over and fawning manner - but build a un-needed round with an exceptional fire hazard... well, how can they be in error if I want it?

Feel free to talk amongst yourselves.
 
Should we blame God for making STUPID people?
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I cracked up.

Wow. I'll just bow out with the recognition that some folk can't "comprehend" that there might be an accountability and responsibility on the part of a manufacturer for presenting a product so completely unnecessary on the civilian market and so open to misuse.
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Just because something isn't necessary doesn't mean it can't be fun if used responsibly. Alcohol is unnecessary and very open to misuse, but it's on the civilian market. Why can't people get by with soda and sparkling cider?

The company knows their product provides additional hazards beyond the dangers already associated with guns, and put the appropriate warnings in place. But, you can't fix stupid. It was stupid that started the fire, not the manufacturer. The rest of people who want to use tracers and can use them responsibly shouldn't have to go without because of one stupid.
 
I'll just bow out with the recognition that some folk can't "comprehend" that there might be an accountability and responsibility on the part of a manufacturer for presenting a product so completely unnecessary on the civilian market and so open to misuse.
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No fun allowed? Just because YOU don't need it doesn't mean I don't.
I'm sure many of the short thinkers would be all over the manufacturer if it were possible for the round to damage their weapon
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If it were a design flaw not disclosed by the manufacturer to me, then yes, I would be all over the manufacturer. However, if that was one of its inherent properties then, no, I would not blame anyone but myself.
 
To the OP as I understand you putting the blame where you do then if by chance some innocent bystander was shot and killed by a person target shooting then ALL manufacturers of the products used should be held liable for the death?? Clothing and footwear included (if say tactical)? Also do you feel if there was such a death, that unnecessary use of firearms should be outlawed also?? Define unnecessary then, would that be load development?--target practice? When does the blame game end??:banghead: IMNSHO the blame should be on the drunk out of control individual that pulled the trigger.

My guideline is --Would YOU want ME to come to your house/yard and do what I am about to do.----If not ---DON'T DO IT.

^^^^This idea might be too complicated a concept for some individuals to comprehend unfortunately IMHO.:banghead:

BTW I do agree with the concept that even though something is legal it still may not be a good idea to do. :)
 
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