O'Reilly Talking Points?

He said "heavy weapons like AKs" need to be reported, so who knows what that would encompass.

BOR was a little, um, off target with that TPM... I'm guessing he wrote it himself with no input from his research staff.

Write him a letter that tells him that he is wrong and explains in a very short, concise way, what the federal gun laws actually are. He will put it on in his mail segment if enough people write.

Also, he's not lying, he just doesn't know any better. He's taking an educated guess at what he thinks will solve the problem.

Here's a link to the segment:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html#/v/1750371974001/factor-tip-contact-consumer-protection/?playlist_id=86923

Basically he's saying that gun sales from dealers should be reported to the FBI (which the are) and that machine gun sales should be reported as well (covered under the NFA).

The guy just doesn't know about existing gun laws. The rest of what he says is pretty spot on.

hso said:

O'reily is an ignorant POS.

Yeah, terrorists can buy bazookas from gunshops without it being reported to the ATF on a form 4.

Suurrre, FFLs can sell without records.

When did an AK47 become a "heavy weapon"?

Riiight, NFA weapons like machine guns are available without background checks, 6+ month waits, local LEO approval and approval by the ATF.

What a lying sack of fertilizer. O'reilly has shown himself to be an anti in the past and here we see more of the same.

You know what you call and enemy dressed as an ally? A traitor.

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I caught the rant on the first airing.....
HSO, Bill O'Reilly is a "traditionalist" and straddles the fence between liberal <->conservative, though he does rail against big spending.
Before the Katrina disaster he was even more in the leftie camp; it was that tragedy in New Orleans which caused him to understand that people couldn't depend on government they needed to be able to defend themselves and own guns.
But he has retained unfortunate remnants of the pre-Katrina ethos he had. He doesn't understand that an AK is not overwhelmingly POWERFUL or that Bazookas are just not available at the local sporting goods store. The finer points of gun laws, he doesn't get and he's just not a "gun person" as people here are.
Yes, the TPM tonight just didn't make sense.
But I am not ready to throw him overboard right now as he's over-all one of the better talking heads cable tv offers. Waaaaayyyyy better than some others.
Now, if someone could lock him in a room with Charles Krauthammer for maybe half an hour, O'Reilly would come out so much wiser......

Bill O' doesn't WILLINGLY put himself in the middle of an issue that he knows nothing about. He's an intelligent enough content producer not to do that on a regular basis, so for the most part, and you can tell by watching him, he knows his stuff...

BUT, you occasionally get these headlines that spread like wildfire, and at that point, the network steps in and says 'Bill, you need to talk about this on your next show.'

Have you ever seen his show regarding 'cannibalism in video games' a few years ago? Man, I just felt sorry for the poor guy.

O'reily is an ignorant POS.

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Yep. Don't feel sorry for him. He's dishonest at best, which is not likely; he's egotistical off the charts, arrogant, stupid, dishonest, and lazy at worst. Not a close call, it's the latter. He's free to take and yodle his position till it's frosty in Hades, but come on, at least get somewhere within the vicinity of the ballpark of the truth, and try to make a little sense. He didn't come close to either one.

These talking heads are entertainers, first and foremost. Why so many people take them seriously and at face value is beyond me...

That talking points memo was easily the most inaccurate I have ever seen. I feel sorry that he put that out there and I would guess he'll get many emails correcting him and may correct himself on a later show.

"an ignorant POS" ... That doesn't seem very high-road, but maybe moderators are exempt?

"an ignorant POS" ... That doesn't seem very high-road, but maybe moderators are exempt?

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Bill O'reilly should be on our side... and he's not. Given that he is/has:

1) more viewers than pretty much all his competition aggregated
2) is supposed to be "right wing"

this is a serious issue. The damage O'reilly can cause us is far more than what NPR or the NYT's can. People expect left wing big gov arguments from those outlets. People will look at Bill O'reilly and say "We'll if he's arguing for gun control then it must be a good idea."

How do I know this? Because I've seen small government Republicans react just in that way. We need to come down hard on Bill O'reilly and educate him.


For the reasons reasons I'm willing to exempt hso. I will say it's kind of funny to see hso lose control like that. Very out of character.

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He's usually pretty good and fair, but he was off the mark today.

I was encouraged at his attack of the left and their gun control agenda, with examples of the failures in Chicago and NYC....

However he was incredibly off the mark with his bloviating on 'heavy weapons.' I wrote him a concise email at billoreilly.com and suggest you do too.

I was taken aback tonight I knew Bill was semi-anti gun but tonights talking points was way off the mark. I sent an email to inform him of where I felt he was going wrong.

Arp32 said:

These talking heads are entertainers, first and foremost. Why so many people take them seriously and at face value is beyond me...

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Agreed. Entertainers are in showbiz. I don't watch the talking heads. IMO, with all, talking heads,there is a force behind the curtain controling what the entertainer says, and does.

If O'Reilly is "a stand up guy", which is how he often describes other people who have admirable qualities,
he will acknowledge his crude descriptions and wrong assumptions about legal purchase of heavy this or that (and the term heavy).

stumpers: I once made a comment about ARs (i.e.: "these are much better than other rifles"-to help reduce interest in milsurps) which was meant to be satire, and it resulted in a THR 'warning'. Something about very delicate sensitivities out there, and many people don't interpret or comprehend reverse psychology or satire.

But I never used a gun forum to call any person a "POS". How ironic...

I watch him on a regular basis. Two episodes ago when he was talking about Aurora, he sounded very pro-gun to me when he said that more gun laws would not have prevented the attack. I haven't watched the latest episode.

We shall see, he will loose my respect if he does not acknowledge his lack of knowledge on this subject. He at least needs to define "Heavy Weapons and ammo" To me a heavy weapon would be 50cal or larger

The guy was wrong on the topic.......

He is MILEs ahead of his counterparts on ABC,NBC,CBS,CNN,andMSNBC

I think he did this on purpose to stir the debate

Billy O is no friend of 2A. He likes to appear as such in order to expand his viewing audience, but he's foundering.

I watched a segment once in which he was extolling the right to self-defense, and said that he was "fine" with owning a rifle for protection, and then added "Only in the home! Only in the home!" when his anti-leaning guest started spouting the usual sheep dip.

No...He's a closet anti. He makes very good points on most other issues, but on 2A, he's out to lunch.

These talking heads are entertainers, first and foremost. Why so many people take them seriously and at face value is beyond me...

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It's simply a matter of the cycle. We need to pay attention to what these THs say because lots of people pay attention to what these THs say. In other words, what they say matters because they have a following--they have sway.

Are they so wise that we should grant them our attention? Do they deserve to have this power? For me, no. But as long as they sit in the chairs on which the cameras are trained, whatever they say matters simply because people who eventually vote think it matters.

I saw the O'Rielly rant and turned to My wofe and refuted both statements ! Wasn't this the same episode that they put Brian Ross under the bus for misrepresenting the Tea party ? Talking heads on Tv ( I watch Bill but would not be part of His pay per veiw crap ) are just that talkers , just some less entertaining than others. I would shoot Piers Morgan if He ever stepped foot on My property and scream take that King George ( Opps ranting ) ! There no smarter than Our Politicians. ....wvleo

Again, WRITE him! He will answer the emails if they are done in an informative, non-accusative manner. He is not a liar, he simply is unaware of what the federal gun laws are.