Citizen Makes 165yd Revolver Shot to Save Cop From Ambush

Heck 5/6 hits even at 25yds is great being that he was taking fire

Heck 5/6 hits even at 25yds is great being that he was taking fire

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And therein lies the difference. Many of us could make a long distance shot with a pistol. But I have no idea how well I would shoot while taking fire.

The man is a hero in my book.

Drawing?

Anyone have a drawing or map of the scene of the engagement?

Seeing the relative positions of the participants would be revealing.

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I'd also like to peg this down. 50-165 are some magnitudes apart. Perhaps some Google satellite sleuthing or whatall is required here.

If you really would like more detailed information you might consider taking Wolfebyte's approach and ask the police chief of Early, Texas.

He may wish to answer your questions.

Just a thought.

just because he is the police chief does not necessarily mean he has his the correct facts.

I don't know how...

he did what he did or , for that matter , why he did what he did. The only thing that I am sure of is that I am glad he did what he did. He had the courage to come to the aid of an officer under fire and the ability to do so. It is one thing to hit a metallic ram at 200 yards with a highly specialized handgun. It is another thing to hit a man at 165 yards while taking fire.

ArfinGreebly said:

Anyone have a drawing or map of the scene of the engagement?

Seeing the relative positions of the participants would be revealing.

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The original interview with the gentleman who shot the gunman aired on KRBC Abilene on Monday morning and he was standing where he claims he took the shots and the camera panned to the RV where the shots hit the gunman. Realizing that camera angles and all can distort depth perception and all it still looked shorter than 165 yards, more like maybe 200-250 feet.

FWIW, I have a tendency to gauge distances in feet and compare those distances to known fenceline measurements we have on the property, thus my opinion on the distance.

Still good shooting and an act of bravery.

Drawing?

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Anyone have a drawing or map of the scene of the engagement?

Seeing the relative positions of the participants would be revealing.

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Here you go. Unless the park has changed dramatically (and the aerial view matches the online views of the park) or Vic Stacy is the caretaker living on the very back of the property, it would appear that there is no way he pulled a gun from his residence at the park and fired at a guy close his residence in the park and shot over 250 feet (good guess above) and even if that was claimed, few places where a shot would be made that far where a field of view would also be present.

If things haven't changed, the 165 yard claim looks bogus.

Google Maps

Okay, for what it's worth, if you pull up the RV park on Google Maps (or Google Earth), you can see that the longest possible shot within the park is about 400 feet (135 yards), and that assumes that at least some of the lots are unoccupied.

A 165 yard shot (165 x 3 = 495 feet) is longer than the whole park (there's an annex section, but no shot at all from the main park).

Safe shots appear to be restricted to less than 75 yards.

I'm reasonably confident that the Sheriff's estimate of "about 50 yards" is pretty much a good call.

Which is, incidentally, still better shooting than I'd attribute to my own current skills.

Yeah, I just pulled the map. I don't find anything over 300 feet for residence parking areas, but you could get further, as you note, but what are the chances that Vic Stacy lived at an extreme distances from the action? There would only be a limited number of extreme distance location possibilities. Not saying it can't happen, but we are seeing yet another part of his story breaking down.

He is still a hero, but like in the ones glory days, the feats described are often more grand than reality.

I wonder if me meant to say 165 feet?

That makes sense. He doesn't come across to me as a dishonest guy.

Yup, there ya go. That has to be it.

What happens if the old fellow had a dissability and handcuffing him would have caused a severe injury. Do they take that into account, or does everyone get the same treatment, and why didn't the officer say this man just saved my life, don't you dare push him dowm in the dirt ike that,
Could they at least have cuffed himin front and had him sit in the patrol car until they sorted this out, or is everyone there just oblvious to te fact that the guy saved one of their own.

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Well gym, it is like this. It isn't obvious. You see, Vic Stacy could have been Conner's accomplice and then when the cops arrived after they were both supposed to make a break for it, Stacy realized that Conner was doomed to get caught, probably would not be killed by the cops, and so shot his own partner in order to look like a hero instead of a villian. Things like that happen. That is why the cops have to sort out things. Just because somebody looks like a good guy doesn't mean that in the final analysis they are a good guy.

Arsonists, for example, have been known to help fight fires they started and rescue people from the building. "False flag" action doesn't make them good guys.

I wonder if me meant to say 165 feet?

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Exactly my thoughts, even from the beginning I kinda thought he might mean that but I take things as I see em and then figure it out later.

Ive posted this before but I think it needs to be mentioned in this thread. Even though the guy may have been mistaken at the distance that doesn't negate that pistols still can be effective at distance (at least for suppresive fire). mag30th shoots this .45 at 420 yards and gets very close. Also shoots it at 120 yards and claims nearly 400 FPE at that distance. I see no real world reason for shooting at someone at that distance though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0x-ujM5xtk&feature=plcp

Hey man. Nice shot(s).

it could be he meant 165' instead of yards if that seems to be more believable to most of the folks participating in this thread.
however I used to have a Ruger MKII Target model that I could hit milk jugs at 300 yard distances just by holding over the top of the milk jug would hit center of the jug

Not much of a comparison I know but I am just saying that a 165 yard shot can be pulled off fairly easy if you know your weapon.

165 feet or 165 yards, I am just not so sure the thread deserves this much scrutiny.
if you believe someone can have the skill set to make accurate 1,000 yard shots with an AR which I do I dont see why it is so hard for some to believe that an accurate 165 yard shot would be any more difficult to pull off if the guy knows his gun well enough.

Just Sayn

I'm done

165', 165 yards, whatever. The man is still a hero in my book.

I apologize if I missed it, but is he a combat vet? He seems to be a cool customer, and usually that doesn't happen in the first firefight, IME.

that was my first thought that he was a combat vet.

"I am just not so sure the thread deserves this much scrutiny."

Well, it is a gun discussion forum and the story being discussed involved shooting a gun. It's fun. Would you prefer we discuss men's sychronized diving off the 3-meter board?

I'd bet dollars to donuts the man is a combat vet; by age, I'd guess Vietnam.

I'd be his neighbor anytime.

Let's take him and his family out to dinner. I'm in for $10. Anyone wants to contribute, I'll take the collection, give everyone a receipt, and post the results. Someone get his name and address so we can send it. [email protected]

165 feet or 165 yards, I am just not so sure the thread deserves this much scrutiny.

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It is part of the title and it is the claim made and it does not appear to have any merit. Funny how we dismiss such transgressions when it suits our fancy, but heaven forbid a politician uses the word "assault rifle." We don't like it and so we get hypercritical.

I'd bet dollars to donuts the man is a combat vet; by age, I'd guess Vietnam.

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Using Vic Stacy as the source? I accept and I will wager you $100 against 100 premium Shipley donuts (something well liked here in Texas).

If I win, I will gladly meet you in DFW, Waco, Austin, or College Station. Bring your family and friends. Then let's go shoot.

If you win, please sent me a check or you can bring it and come shoot at my place in Montague County, NW of DFW.

See post 84. Gene Deason who interviewed him asked about that and no, he wasn't in the military or a cop or had training.