I use corbon 100 grain powerbll, @1350fps, it's a killer of a round.Also a mag of fmj as a 2nd reload. But Magtech is also a good fast lower priced HD round, there are just too many these days. You would have to defer to either the fastest or heaviest round theory. I like speed, as they say speed kills. Masaad kikes the 147 grain in 9mm, each to his own.
People who carry 9mm. This is what you want..
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Is that a joke?
And if you buy your ammunition in twenty or twenty five round boxes from the local store, sure, you'll spend a dollar or so a round.
If you buy something like HST, you're spending barely any more money for a fifty round box of a better bullet design. Right around forty cents apiece, not terrible for the better quality control and more consistence in expanding period and expanding after clothing or barriers especially.
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Nope. Seeing how the OP is using a link to CTD, did a quick search on there. 135gr Hydra Shocks, which from what I understand is the new version of the Hi-Shock we have been discussing, is $18.09 per box of 20. 100 rounds of this would be $90.45, add shipping for 5 boxes and you're over $100.
Because ammunition is like fashion going out of style, and an old design somehow no longer does what a bullet does
If it worked like magic 20 years ago, I'm not sure how that could change, shooting the same bullets at the same badguys. A 115gr jhp at 1300fps is no joke, no matter how old the design
Great price for stocking up, or you could even practice with it, instead of buying 1 box of $3 each bullets that you can't afford to shoot to test for accuracy and reliability.
I dont know...After watching a couple of YouTube expansion tests on this ammo last night I think I will stick with the Federal HST while using the PM9 because from the tests I saw the Hi-Shok was big on penetration but simply did not expand at all.
Again,at all.
Again,at all.
X2, I was not impressed at all with the 9BP Federal Hi Shok after watching tnoutdoors9's testing on it. Little to no expansion, and over-penetration. You might as well be using FMJ rounds for self defense. Federal HST and Speer Gold Dot are far better choices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWl2bEMSKfM
Interesting. Not what I have seen or experienced on flesh, but hey, if a block of brown goop wearing 4 pairs of pants comes after me, then I might have to do a quick load change.
I will admit though that the 9BPLE +P+ is a better round than the 9BP. It is funny how bullets work. On this brown gel and denim. It doesn't look so good, but shoot something with real blood and guts, and you get what you expect.
I will admit though that the 9BPLE +P+ is a better round than the 9BP. It is funny how bullets work. On this brown gel and denim. It doesn't look so good, but shoot something with real blood and guts, and you get what you expect.
Interesting. Not what I have seen or experienced on flesh, but hey, if a block of brown goop wearing 4 pairs of pants comes after me, then I might have to do a quick load change.
I will admit though that the 9BPLE +P+ is a better round than the 9BP. It is funny how bullets work. On this brown gel and denim. It doesn't look so good, but shoot something with real blood and guts, and you get what you expect.
I don't doubt your own testing, but it is older technology. It is cheaper, but you can get 50 rounds of Federal HST or Gold Dots from http://www.mahsupplies.net/ for $25-$26 which is pretty darn good. It's a no brainer for me to use the newer, better performing rounds. Why chance it with a round that may or may not expand?
Check out these tests for comparison using the same test media:
Federal HST: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNRqrJRq4T0
Speer Gold Dot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdXfDcY-0gU
I have personal experience with a 124 gr. Federal HST, and it wasn't with a 4 legged nor a block of silly putty. (And I'll leave it at that)
But HST use to be labeled as Law Enforcement only. So, if you were to compare apples to apples and use the 9BPLE +P+ vs. HST. I think you'd probably have a difference of opinion. I have zero experience with Gold Dot.
But HST use to be labeled as Law Enforcement only. So, if you were to compare apples to apples and use the 9BPLE +P+ vs. HST. I think you'd probably have a difference of opinion. I have zero experience with Gold Dot.
wlewisiii
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Ranger 127gr +P+ for me, thanks.
I know a police officer that responded to a domestic shooting. A woman shot her boyfriend when he was drunk and beating her. He was shot with WWB 147 grain, and the police officer told me he had never seen such damage.
Of course this is second hand. I did not witness it, but sometimes real world is much different than the gel tests.
Of course this is second hand. I did not witness it, but sometimes real world is much different than the gel tests.
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Yep, the 9BPLE (+p+) is what I carried in my 9mms...from about 1987 until maybe 1992 or so.
Times change, technologies advance, and what is available beccomes better each year.
Nothing wrong with the old-school rounds, but the top-of-the-line new stuff is better.
At the very least, the marketing is better.
Sometimes I wonder just how much better all new things are. It seems to me that our society has reached a pinnacle of convincing the average guy that we need a lot of new stuff.
Just a thought......
Well. As I get older, and finally bought a home of my own, I am finding new ways to keep the old, new. If that makes sense.
A short story.
A guy at work had the exact same cell phone as I. Both of ours had a rattle where the mic is located. We talked about it and compared the part and problem. About a week later we were talking, and he said to me that he fixed his phone problem. I asked what he did to fix it. He said he had bought a new cell phone.
I told him that I fixed mine also, and he said to me you bought a new phone also? I said, "no, I used a pennies worth of super glue." I think he felt a little ashamed that he had spent $300 for a new phone, and I had just used some common sense to fix mine.
Doesn't really relate to the thread, I know. I was just trying to go with what CZguy mentioned.
A short story.
A guy at work had the exact same cell phone as I. Both of ours had a rattle where the mic is located. We talked about it and compared the part and problem. About a week later we were talking, and he said to me that he fixed his phone problem. I asked what he did to fix it. He said he had bought a new cell phone.
I told him that I fixed mine also, and he said to me you bought a new phone also? I said, "no, I used a pennies worth of super glue." I think he felt a little ashamed that he had spent $300 for a new phone, and I had just used some common sense to fix mine.
Doesn't really relate to the thread, I know. I was just trying to go with what CZguy mentioned.
sidheshooter
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9BP?
Black Powder?
Ha!
Border Patrol. This round has a good track record, and the +P+ LE version (done, IIRC, at the request of the border patrol for a high powered round with less penetration for the crowded environs they work in) has a great track record.
The 9BP is also very accurate and, as others mention, has a reputation for functioning in almost any decent 9mm. Ayoob was fond of this round back in the day, and I seem to remember reading good things about it on the late Mr. Camp's hipowers and handguns.
I've got some socked away, because it's cheap and it will probably work in whatever I might buy next.
I do load my current 9mms with 124gr GDHP, but I'd load with 9BP and not care one way or the other.
YMMV.
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To clarify, the Federal 9BP is a 20+ year old technology bullet, and was the gold standard for a long time. Yes, it was favored by Mas Ayoob.
Federal's next effort was the Hydra-Shok.
Federal's latest effort is the HST.
The 9BP and Hydra-Shok are excellent bullets. But many believe the HST to be even better. I don't understand resistance to new technology when it works better and costs virtually the same. As others have stated, a 50 round box of HST is $24.90, 2 bucks more than Hydra-Shok. Yes it's marked LE, but that's a manufacturing thing.
Again, if you like the 9BP, it's available in a white box version at $13.90/50. This is 1225fps good stuff. http://www.mahsupplies.net/
Federal's next effort was the Hydra-Shok.
Federal's latest effort is the HST.
The 9BP and Hydra-Shok are excellent bullets. But many believe the HST to be even better. I don't understand resistance to new technology when it works better and costs virtually the same. As others have stated, a 50 round box of HST is $24.90, 2 bucks more than Hydra-Shok. Yes it's marked LE, but that's a manufacturing thing.
Again, if you like the 9BP, it's available in a white box version at $13.90/50. This is 1225fps good stuff. http://www.mahsupplies.net/
For the negligable price difference, give me gold dots. I don't care what you are alluding too (4,000 times!) but demonstrated performance beats "I seen it happen" all day. In my book at least.
But... I would buy these (not from CTD their price gouging during "gun panic 08" lost me forever) if they didn't have my first choice. In fact, I think I have shot them before, a while back. Obviously they are not useless or anything, it's just that time and tech marches on. 5% better is still better.
But... I would buy these (not from CTD their price gouging during "gun panic 08" lost me forever) if they didn't have my first choice. In fact, I think I have shot them before, a while back. Obviously they are not useless or anything, it's just that time and tech marches on. 5% better is still better.
moxie
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Nothing wrong with Gold Dots. I like them too. Thought we were talking Federal. All of these bullets will serve you well:
Federal HST
Speer Gold Dot
Winchester Ranger
Agree with your statement on CTD. And on the 5%.
Federal HST
Speer Gold Dot
Winchester Ranger
Agree with your statement on CTD. And on the 5%.
Try Ammoseek and buy this for .03 cents per round cheaper http://usarmorment.com/federal-xm9001-115gr-jhp-p-p-2041.html
moxie
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jwjacob,
That's the same stuff I mentioned in post 9 AND post 44, with two exceptions. You have to buy 1000 rounds for $299.95 from USArmorment, which works out to 29.9 cents a round. MAHSupplies only asks you to buy in 50 round increments, but charges less, only 27.8 cents a round, or $1.08 LESS a box of 50. That's $21.95 LESS for the case of 1000.
That's the same stuff I mentioned in post 9 AND post 44, with two exceptions. You have to buy 1000 rounds for $299.95 from USArmorment, which works out to 29.9 cents a round. MAHSupplies only asks you to buy in 50 round increments, but charges less, only 27.8 cents a round, or $1.08 LESS a box of 50. That's $21.95 LESS for the case of 1000.
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