.270 Small game loads for pack-in hunt

That's a tall order there. i've never heard of being able to get two loads at two bullet weights getting the same point of aim. if you do be very good in documenting that. i'd be interested in seeing it.

If for small game, I would go for whisper loads. (Google whisper or mouse fart loads)

With rifle sighted for big game, it is relatively easy to obtain good accuracy at close range without disturbing original settings.

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something that will shoot MOR (Moment of Rabbit) at 50 yds to the same point of aim as my current set up.

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Thats not gonna happen.

rc

Maybe I should just work backwards from conventional loading wisdom. Pick a well established load, and work down instead of up.

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As long as you don't go below book minimum or starting loads. Bad things can happen in a hurry. Google Secondary Explosion Effect.

I know a person used to be able to get 30-06"accelerator" rounds the had a smaller dia bullet in a sabot.They were made for higher velocity,but I'd bet something on that order could be done(if components are found)with a lower charge. A nice .22 or.25 cal bullet in a sabot over Trail boss or maybe Red Dot??

I would stick to elk hunting. Don't risk spooking your dream bull for a squirrel. Keep your eye out for some grouse. You could get them with a rock!

You already have the Trailboss data for a jacketed bullet, so you can go with that.
Speer #13 shows loads with SR4759 and 100 to 150 grain jacketed bullets and velocities around 1600 fps.
As far as point of impact, there is likely a spot on a bdc reticle, or a post on a duplex, that lines up.

I Had some of those "Acelerator" rounds in 30-06 and the accuracy was REALLY poor. Like minute of Volkswagen poor at 50 feet. Then I got some sabots in a trade and attempted to make some accurate loads. So the best I got was the ability to keep it on a 4X8 sheet of plywood at 75 or so feet with lots of keyholes.:banghead: You can just drill out your primer pocket in 2 steps to accept a shotgun primer and put a couple dimples in the lower end of the neck of that brass with a center punch. Then use the sized buckshot or a 25 cal lead bullet and push it into the neck to shoot what you are aiming for.

Just buy a slingshot.

I've seen people post this type of question off and on for years and I have yet to see anyone ever use their rifle for a grouse or rabbit that wasn't blown all to hell. Imagine a grouse hit with a .270, it's not pretty. The best thing you can do is to shoot a huge bull the first morning out so you have heart, liver and backstrap to eat for a week. The upside is that you'll have less meat to pack out.

I made some rounds for my 30-06 with 19gn projectiles shoots great to 50 yards. it isn't quite tho even with Bullseye. You can get by without ear plugs but it isn't quite.

Please, don't forget the mushrooms to go with that grouse. You can get dried ones too.

I often find grouse st the same elevation I find elk. They help to increase my alertness.

good luck out there.

Notice the rabbit. Unless you're in to eating rabbit brains and eyeballs, there is NO ruined meat and it was shot with a 458 Lott.

I find it amazing how many hunters think there has to be a special load for every type of hunting when it just ain't so. I've shot crows, groundhogs, racoons, deer, etc. with my 270 Winchester and, unlike the cautions from the pundits, in the event I had wanted to eat all said animals with the exception of the crow, meat loss was minimal. You DON'T need a special load to hunt rabbits with a 270 Winchester and thinking that downloading is going to make significantly less noise is unrealistic and it's even less realistic to think they'll hit the same place as your full power loads.

It's also a big misconception that gunfire spooks game. I've found it doesn't unless the gunfire has been directed at a particular animal and even then, after a near miss, many times they'll stick around long enough for a second or third shot. In fact, one time I had a whitetail deer doe walk calmly out from behind a 100 yard target I had been shooting at with a 7mm/08 braked handgun. Elk and other animals are used to hearing thunder and gunshots and I'm very doubtful that taking a shot at a rabbit is going to drive away the elk from miles around.

If you want a load with minimal meat damage, and provided it's legal, to hit the same place as your elk loads, I would recommended an FMJ or solid bullet of the same weight. Sometimes, but not always, the FMJ or solid will hit about the same place as your expanding bullet loads. I've been lucky with a number of loads like though though I've never done it or tried it with a 270 Winchester.

Notice the rabbit. Unless you're in to eating rabbit brains and eyeballs, there is NO ruined meat and it was shot with a 458 Lott.

I find it amazing how many hunters think there has to be a special load for every type of hunting when it just ain't so. I've shot crows, groundhogs, racoons, deer, etc. with my 270 Winchester and, unlike the cautions from the pundits, in the event I had wanted to eat all said animals with the exception of the crow, meat loss was minimal. You DON'T need a special load to hunt rabbits with a 270 Winchester and thinking that downloading is going to make significantly less noise is unrealistic and it's even less realistic to think they'll hit the same place as your full power loads.

It's also a big misconception that gunfire spooks game. I've found it doesn't unless the gunfire has been directed at a particular animal and even then, after a near miss, many times they'll stick around long enough for a second or third shot. In fact, one time I had a whitetail deer doe walk calmly out from behind a 100 yard target I had been shooting at with a 7mm/08 braked handgun. Elk and other animals are used to hearing thunder and gunshots and I'm very doubtful that taking a shot at a rabbit is going to drive away the elk from miles around.

If you want a load with minimal meat damage, and provided it's legal, to hit the same place as your elk loads, I would recommended an FMJ or solid bullet of the same weight. Sometimes, but not always, the FMJ or solid will hit about the same place as your expanding bullet loads. I've been lucky with a number of loads like though though I've never done it or tried it with a 270 Winchester.

hookem3119 said:

Thanks guys, here is a link to this question on a cast bullet site.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=1824671#post1824671

I am going to order an adapter that allows you to fire sized buckshot using .22 powder driven tool blanks. The kit comes with a tool that allows standard buck shot to be resized to caliber. Then I will use thsoe to load my own.

The advantages I see are:
1. I can fire lead to reduce the chance of the bullet sticking in the chamber.
2. And these nearly round projectiles will elimnate aerodynamic concerns. Bullets wobble when exiting the barrel, then stablize by spinning. Like a football or arrow. Boat tails take longer, flat based are quicker. But at these extreme low velocities, I'm not sure the bullet would ever stabilize. I may try sabots. But that is a crap shoot. I heve never heard of anyone trying those at low velocities. I don't know what would happen when they left the barrel.

It will probably be a couple of weeks, but I will post some results. Thanks for the help.

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I'd just use #2 buck with a bit of Lee liqid alox and a couple three grains of Red Dot. Of course you'll have to verify your POI etc..

Use what ya got

I've hit a few rabbits in the head with a .30-06 while muley hunting. Fresh roast bunny beats canned chili every time. One time my shot scared a doe out of a nearby willow thicket. She jumped out then stood there looking at me for a half minute before jogging off. No doe tag.

Why not a sidearm? I would carry my Sig Mosquito in your situation.