FBI agent came to my door, today.

If that number on the form is legit tied to the FBI then you could assume he is legit. I would assume he thought you were a dealer and that is why you were contacted.

This has a very bad odor to it.

The Feds are borrowing/printing out of thin air 40 cents of every $ they spend ... but they have time/resources to send FBI agents door to door like vacuum cleaner salesman?

Color me doubtful.

I personally think you're being cased; Why do i say this?

My guess would be that they're trying to see if you panic and/or start to do peculiar things after this "visit".

Just a thought. I'd probably contact any friends whom you share this hobby with and see if they had the same experience.

Are FFL shop owners getting these too? If it's legit then I would expect this to be something they'd be familiar with.

The whole thing seems like a weird and odd way to waste limited manpower resources on random fishing expeditions. Whether the guy was a legitimate agent or not, the whole thing is sketchy.

interesting warning on the bottom of the document

phone number is legit

Very shady behavior indeed. There are dozens of disturbing things about that document. The one that made me laugh was that it is "suspicious" if the purchaser insists on paying cash.

I can't imagine the guys at my LGS raising eyebrows at customers who ask, "What's the bottom dollar, cash money?"

Excuse me Sir, are you insisting on paying with cash!?

Sent from my PB99400 using Tapatalk 2

About 10 years ago a child was abducted in a city about 30 miles from my parents rural home. My brothers car had broken down a around the time of the abduction around the area of that city.

About a week after the abduction a man in a suit drove into our yard and asked me if Mr... was home. I was suspicious because he pronounced our last name correctly.
He talked to my dad for a little while and then left. He was FBI and they were checking into the owner of the car that had broken down near the city in question.

I don't see this as strange at all. The random lottery to ask citizens who are involved with guns is straight BS. He was giving you a line. They know of something and they are asking around to find info. They know a great deal about you and are checking you out for a connection you may have to the ones they are looking for.

Remember denying any knowledge of illegal activity doesn't put you in the clear. They are very happy to have to make black and white statements. Which have been recorded I might add. If they come back and ask you more questions I wouldn't say anything and would get your significant other involved.

You may remember Leanna "Beaner" Warner. She has never been found.

I don't see this as strange at all. The random lottery to ask citizens who are involved with guns is straight BS. He was giving you a line. They know of something and they are asking around to find info. They know a great deal about you and are checking you out for a connection you may have to the ones they are looking for.

Remember denying any knowledge of illegal activity doesn't put you in the clear. They are very happy to have to make black and white statements. Which have been recorded I might add. If they come back and ask you more questions I wouldn't say anything and would get your significant other involved.

Click to expand...

This needs to be read. And reread.

I'll add, that if they come back for a second round, start making the initial motions for legal representation. No, not in a "the sky is falling" way. I just mean take a few minutes to research some competent counsel online or in the phone book, maybe make one of those "free legal advice" phone calls that are advertised from time to time. If you had a lawyer give the speech at your CPL class, give him a call and ask if you can take 5 minutes of his time for a few questions about the encounter. Just start making the initial moves.

Watch this.
Don't talk to police

This came up on google. Looks legit to me

http://www.atf.gov/publications/newsletters/ffl/ffl-newsletter-2011-09.pdf

ATF Sept 2011 FFL newsletter. see page 3

I'm also curious why someone would show up and say "I'm with the FBI, are you a criminal?" If they are, they aren't going to tell you!

Click to expand...

You'd be surprised...

If they had something to charge you with, you would already be in custody. If they come back don't even answer the door.

I have a C&R and I wonder if somebody misunderstood and thought I was an 003 dealer?

Click to expand...

That would be my guess. He got a list of FFL holders from the ATF and your name was on it from your C&R.

That flyer is was discussed here quite a bit back:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=595064

The FBI has a number of flyers like this they distribute to places ranging from internet cafes to tattoo shops.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

SaxonPig
FBI agent came to my door, today.
Asked me if I had knowledge of anyone acting suspiciously with regards to firearms. He said it was a general investigative program out of DC where they talk to folks at random to see if anyone might be planning domestic terrorism. Added that people "involved with guns" get picked randomly for questioning and "my name came up this year."<SNIP>

Click to expand...

[sigh] There is no "random" when it comes to the FBI. Trust me on this... You got onto their radar for a reason.

Whether you...
- ...bought a couple of dozen C&R guns with your license in the course of a week from the same few vendors
- ...made an off-the-cuff remark that someone mistook for something serious
- ...have a friend or relative that has been doing something illegal
- ...or some other dark reason...

If the agent comes by again, give him the name of your lawyer and tell the agent to speak with them first. If you don't have a lawyer, get one. Do not, I repeat, do not talk to the agent about anything. I don't give a crap if people think I'm paranoid. The law favors the Federal agencies. Even if you make an innocent misstatement to the agent, it CAN be used against you.

This is coming from me - someone who has 25+ years dealing with lawyers, IRS, & occasionally other governmental agencies and politicians. I ain't no crackpot...

What would that cost?

Click to expand...

Less than your freedom.

Woody

Owen Sparks

Quote:
Don't ever talk to these or any other "officials" without a lawyer present...

Click to expand...

What would that cost?

Click to expand...

Practically nothing when compared to having to hire one to defend you from the Feds.

tell him politely "no thanks" and close the door.

never talk to any cop voluntarily.

Owen Sparks
If they had something to charge you with, you would already be in custody. If they come back don't even answer the door.

Click to expand...

It's a puzzle and they're putting the pieces together. When they have enough pieces, then they will come for you. Keep in mind, I didn't say "when they have all the pieces"...

Onward Allusion said:

It's a puzzle and they're putting the pieces together. When they have enough pieces, then they will come for you. Keep in mind, I didn't say "when they have all the pieces"...

Click to expand...

If and when they get enough pieces they may come for whomever it is they are investigating.

Great to know my tax dollars are paying for agents to harass fellow law abiding gun owners.

If any LE comes to your door unannounced, it's usually to take someone away, not talk.
And they don't come alone. They always work in pairs.
Something is not right about this visit.

As we use to say, "10-0". Use caution.

ConstitutionCowboy
Don't ever talk to these or any other "officials" without a lawyer present, and then they must present some form of a warrant.

Click to expand...

Since when?

I'd call 9-1-1 and ask for a local officer/deputy to come over just in case.

Click to expand...

911 is for EMERGENCIES.....not because you think you need backup for a guy ringing your doorbell.

Surely, if anything such as this were to be legit, the "FBI" or "ATF" would have notified local law enforcement and possibly the local district attorney's office that they would be "knocking on doors", etc.

Click to expand...

Surely you jest.

If there is anything in your house that you should not have now is the time to get it 'off warrant'.

Regardless of whether it was legit or not, I'd take the pic of that flyer down ASAP unless you have physical proof of the "prior written or verbal approval of the FBI".

If they're already talking to you, seems you might be tempting fate by posting that in spite of the warning.....

dogtown tom said:

911 is for EMERGENCIES.....not because you think you need backup for a guy ringing your doorbell.

Click to expand...

Everybody here should have the contact phone number of their local law enforcement agency (police or sheriff, whichever you fall under) programmed into their phone/on the refrigerator/whatever.

You should be able to call them right up without dialing 911.