6.2mm OCC

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I was just joking.:) That's how they were advertized first. Of course they didn't quite work from regular 5.56 mags.

I remember that also, shame on them. I'm not saying it will, it needs to be tested.

But the 6.8spc almost worked, the diameter was just a little to much. The interior bevels on the standard AR15/M16 mag had to be altered a little.

Now, if the 6.8spc almost worked but was a little to big and the 6.2 case is smaller in diameter than the 6.8 ???
 
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I don't see people carrying AK's complaining about mag capacity. 7x46mm uses the same brass just longer.:) About recoil I don't know. I shot few years ago an old czech rifle chambered in 7.62x45mm (130gr. bullet) and recoil was surprisingly mild. That was originaly proposed as base case for 7x46UIAC. Just necked down to 7mm.

"People" = U.S. Military ? NO. Some Spec Ops ? Yes.
 
I'm talking about the millions that carry AK47. The basic AK has 30 rounds. I don't see the problem with that mag.

Remember, 7x46 is not made for the AR15. Ar15 mag lenght is not important.
 
Nah. 70-75gr just doesn't cut it. You need a bigger chunk of metal.:D Just enough is not always enough.:D

You may be right. I was looking for velocity.

I was informed by SSS Friday that David Tubb said that a 90gr. would be the weight to go with because of its SD.

Could you explain why ?
 
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I'm talking about the millions that carry AK47. The basic AK has 30 rounds. I don't see the problem with that mag.

Remember, 7x46 is not made for the AR15. Ar15 mag lenght is not important.

So, then it would require a completely new platform. Your getting us way off base here. The 6.2mm was designed for the AR15/M16.
 
I don't know if you saw one of my previous posts, Superior Shooting Systems Inc. has sent the 6.2mm OCC to Silver State Armory for a work-up.

While talking to SSS they mentioned that the 6.2mm would have to be thoroughly tested and then would have to go through SpecOps in field before any considerations would be made.
I did, I just don't believe that the brass are willing to change cartridges at this point. Don't get me wrong, I think you have a good idea, and I wouldn't abandon it, but I think it will be quite a while before it is considered for adoption.

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I agree, not while they are stuck in the sand. But maybe some spec ops could run it.
 
Okay, tell me one more time what this cartridge can do that the 5.56 cannot. I read your little pdf on it and it is not quite clear to me.
 
longdayjake, could you run some figures ? 28gr. of IMR 8208 XBR with a Berger 6mm 90gr. MT BT (.411 BC) , Thanks
 
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Also how about, same powder with the 6mm/.243 Lapua 90gr. Scenar (BC .420 )? Thanks
 
Will it accommodate (and maintain good ballistics) a 95gr. SMK. If so I would think that would be the ticket, as it has a very high BC (0.480).

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I have played with the 95gr SMK some and yes it will work but it does start to get back in the case some, also wondering how it would effect velocity.
 
Both Sierra and Lapua have a 90gr FMJBT with BC .387 and SD .218

While not as good as the Berger 90gr MT BT or Lapua 90gr Scenar it would make for a good FMJ round.
 
longdayjake, could you run some figures ? 28gr. of IMR 8208 XBR with a Berger 6mm 90gr. MT BT (.411 BC) , Thanks

Can your casing fit that many grains of powder and still have room for the projectile? It looks to me like it wouldn't have any more case capacity than the .223. Couple that with the longer bullets and you get even less powder capacity than the .223. I am unsure how to run those numbers since the casing doesn't really exist in any program that you can run.
 
Powder charge for the 6mm SAW was 28 grains with a 105gr projectile. The 90gr Sierra FMJBT, 87gr Hornady HPBT, 85gr Sierra BTHP do not impede case capacity. The 90gr Berger and Lapua do impede beyond the neck some, within a couple mm's. Just trying to get a rough estimate on figures till I get reports back from SSS and SSA. Could you somehow work up some rough figures ?
 
without knowing the pressures one could only guess. My personal guess is that with only 28 grains of powder you will probably get around 2700-2800 fps. You aren't going to get that much more velocity from the saw case just because you lightened the bullet by a few grains. Maybe 200-300 fps more. I would like to be wrong but my experience has always shown this to be true.
 
LDJ, original chamber pressure of the 6mm SAW was 47,700psi. How much velocity could be gained by jumping it up to 50,000 or 52,000psi ?
 
I know this might be a random bump, but I am interested in this, any news? Also, about how much KE is this putting out?
 
I'm amazed at how time flies -- it's been two years since we had that very interesting discussion!

I'm hoping that deadduck357 was able to scare up dies and barrel so that he could get some experimental results. The timing is about right for him to report out if everything went well.

I know that wildcatting can use up a lot of calendar time -- I just passed the one year mark with an unrelated project. Dies, reamer, and so on are built. The barrel should be ready within two weeks. I have had one hiccup in the dies -- so will need to get an intermediate forming die to neck the brass down to the smaller caliber. I won't know if everything else will come together until the barrel comes in, gets mounted on the rifle and we do the first shots. Only then do we get to find out if the cartridge works as hoped. I'm looking at the beter part of another year before I can draw solid conclusions.

So, it is possible that his components and test campaign haven't come together yet.

Another major factor is the winding down of the current conflict is dampening excitement over new and better military cartridges.
 
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