What is a "ballistic loophole"?

Remember, the Arabs invented algebra. Math isn't beyond our current adversaries. Heck, they're able to hack our drones and land em,

So basically its the modern interpretation of the mideval arrow slit?

Some secret




posted via that mobile app with the sig lines everyone complaints about

1st infantry division Ft. Riley Kansas

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I shot with 5th. Army AMU at Ft Riley in 1968 - 1970.
Our rifle team members were snipers in Vietnam when they weren't at fort Riley shooting matches.

We knew what a hole in cover was then, but it wasn't classified, and it didn't take a smart phone app to figure out how big it needed to be.

I think you are taking your Spook Training far too seriously!

Hooah.

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HooRah ?? WhoHa? Hookah?

I thought thats what Marines screamed at each other because of their limited vocabulary after getting hit in the head one too many times?

Is the Army doing it now too?

rc

rcmodel said:

HooRah ?? WhoHa? Hookah?

I thought thats what Marines screamed at each other because of their limited vocabulary after getting hit in the head one too many times?

Is the Army doing it now too?

rc

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Oorah= Marines, Hooah= Army, both have been hit in the head too many times. Oh wait, did I break OpSec?

HUA: Heard, Understood, Aknowledged

Spelled pheneticly as "Hooah".

Ya, I have been hit on the head a few times, cuncussed actually. IEDs are a drag man.

JAV8000 said:

Sorry, I get paid to deal with and spit out "government talk". This isn't fully firearm related, it's mostly training related.…specifically training to kill people. I'm sorry, but I don't think you'll find need for this while deer hunting.

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Really? I think you need to get over it. This topic has nothing to do with OPSEC.

Just because you're in the Army does not make everything you do top secret. :rolls eyes:

I was very specifically instructed NOT to Share said information. I'm sorry that's not satisfactory for you all to hear, but I'm surprised no one has posted the equation if its so not secret (not top secret).

All due respect, but the theory and practice is spelled out in unclassified training manuals.

This has NOTHING to due with OPSEC.

Taliv, thank you sir.

taliv,

And we know he's a serviceman because he "says" he is? IMHO, he's acting more like a troll than a serviceman. Just saying...

Don

JAV8000 said:

but I'm surprised no one has posted the equation if its so not secret

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Maybe because it's a formula.

All due respect, but the theory and practice is spelled out in unclassified training manuals.

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The theory *might* be, but the formula most definitely isn't.

I was very specifically instructed NOT to Share said information. I'm sorry that's not satisfactory for you all to hear, but I'm surprised no one has posted the equation if its so not secret (not top secret).

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Drawing attention to that is either amazingly bad application of the concept of OpSec or a simple cry for personal attention.

This is hopeless. My bad, it's a formula and not an equation, you're correct, guess I'm just an idiot infantryman with a GT score of 125 and a PT score of 290. I'm in sniper section, though I have yet to get my 11B4…this march. I take this job very seriously, I'm sorry this amuses some of you folk. I'm humbled by the men I have training me to shoot. When I'm at the school house I'll be being trained to shoot by some of the best tactical precision direct fire minds in the world.

Yes, Guntech 59, please post an unclassified reference of the formula…wow

JAV8000, if you feel something is compromising OPSEC the absolute last thing you should do is mention that to the public. That in itself draws attention to the subject matter and only gets people talking more. If you noticed a fellow service member spouting off classified information then by all means you should bring that up with a superior who can pass if up the chain and potentially plug the leak/assess the damage caused by the breach.

All you've accomplished in this thread is to get a lot more people who would have probably passed by the thread interested because they want to learn the "super tactical secret that JAV8000 got so bothered about." It would have been much, much better to not say anything at all. Quit before the thread spirals even more and just let it die out as it would have probably done before you said anything.

Drawing attention to that is either amazingly bad application of the concept of OpSec or a simple cry for personal attention.

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k_dawg said:

btw: commenting that something is OpSec itself is breaking OpSec. The proper response, if you can not avoid a response is "No Comment".

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First rule of OPSEC, don't talk about OPSEC

Yeah History channel did have a segment on this.

In reality isn't a window just a really big "ballistic loophole" anyway.

taliv said:

guys the information is relatively sensitive. other forums have reportedly been asked not to discuss it. =

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Oh I am sure that people who obtained the information through their job with clearance and have a duty not to release the information are asked not to talk about it on forums.

No one asked for the formula here though. The original question was "what is it?"

If a person worked the formula out on their own and has never been sworn to secrecy, then asking people not to talk about it would be censorship.

JAV8000

first off thank you for your service. i mean that.

second, no offence but i think you drew more attention to the topic than if you would have said nothing. i understand where your coming from. i still get asked questions from time to time about the m1 tank. ive been on a few different models. its usually after some sort of documenty on tv.

on a side note my dad taught something about this on my first hunt. we saw a deer from our stand he aimed, shot and blew a 3" limb apart just 1ft in front of his barrel. said he didnt see the limb through his scope. at the time i was like