Wanye is out of his mind

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Napalm

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THis guys has to be kidding me...Videogames, movies?

Thats what they are blaming? If they would stop with the fingerpointing and give some REAL idea on how to fend off these horrible issues.

I dont have any moral issues playing video games and watching violent movies...Wanye can kiss my ass

This is the last year for my NRA membership
 
Not my choice, but also not the only thing he's said. If you ditch the NRA over that...ok. Bye.
 
The games they were showing on screen were so damn old its crazy. They are just showing how out of touch they are
 
But spreading lies like this to try and cover gun owners asses is stupid
 
Wanye? Is he related to Kanye?

Really, we need a strong voice that is going to stand up. The NRA seems to be grasping for straws these days. The honestly seem like they are becoming a GOP surrogate company.

I reserve the right to update my opinion.

School Shield Program, sounds like a good PR move.
 
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Wayne's not the bad guy. Support the NRA ...the negative petition to Washington is getting longer.
 
Be sure to digest the entire presentation and think about it in the context of winning the battle on RKBA. Feints, flanking and even apparent retreats are used to distract and put your enemy off balance to help you WIN. With many many people pointing at the pervasive violence depicted in entertainment and many many people pointing at the absence of effective security to schools it does make sense to use those groups as co-combatants if not outright allies.

The NRA's public pronouncements are just part of an overall strategy that includes pandering to the public, political pressure against Anti politicians, support for pro RKBA politicians.
 
It sounds like the NRA is taking a proactive approach to a solution of the real problem - that the school kids of America are currently unprotected in the classroom.

Unless you consider a no gun zone sign to be protection.
 
You need to explain this post...
Blaming movies and video games while there is little to no serious scientific data to back up the claims.

It would probably be much more appropriate to talk about things that are really linked to crime. Things like sub-standard education, poverty, and lack of access to mental health care lead to far more deaths by gun than other things.

Over 50% of deaths by firearm come from suicide. Suicides are usually well thought out and planned days, weeks, or even years in advance. That is one area we can work to reduce numbers and take the stigma off of the gun through education.
 
I think Wayne did a couple things right here.

1) Point out that there are underlying issues that we aren't dealing with (video games, no active database of mentally ill).
2) Bringing something up to change the discussion (schools protected by armed guards) away from let's ban guns.
3) Offering expertise and money to be part of the solution, vice the problem. And already having a well known politico as the leader of this program shows intent.
4) Showing how the president targeted and scrapped grant funding for secure our schools.

I think this was great for its intent. I don't care if anything eventually comes from it as I don't believe we need to do anything to react to a very infrequent and statistically insignificant risk to our children. I was afraid that they would coweer and offer to compromise. Instead they came out with a strong play.

Well done NRA.
 
Overall, the message was really good and I was extremely happy with the stance taken by the NRA (and this is coming from a guy that has been critical of the NRA recently).

But, I have to say that I don't agree with blaming violent video games. Those games are really not all that different from kids 30 years ago running around playing cops and robbers with their toy guns pretending to kill each other. A hundred years ago it may have been cowboys and indians. Violent role playing by young boys has been going on forever. The cartoons from my youth were incredibly violent compared to today's cartoons. In my mind its foolish to believe that this is what causes a crazy lunatic to go on a mass shooting spree.

Think about this. If the violent video games really did cause actual violence to occur, why aren't there millions more of these incidents. The most popular games sell millions of copies. If 1 out of every 100,000,000 million video game players ends up going on a shooting rampage, it is beyond ridiculous to place the video game as the cause.
 
Not my choice, but also not the only thing he's said. If you ditch the NRA over that...ok. Bye.

+1 Sam. I am sure that Napalm is off to cancel his NRA membership, if he ever had one.

There is so much more substance to what the NRA is proposing.

The most important? That we protect our children immediately just like we protect our money, politicians, celebrities, and sports figures.
 
This is definitely not the time to be bashing the NRA. This infighting crap is the reason we still have obama in the white house because, the republicans couldn't agree on anything. Take your "I'm just not gonna support the NRA anymore" crap somewhere else. I'm pretty tired of it.
 
We need to stop trying to point the finger at things and find an actual fix for the problem. Blaming violent video games (which kids shouldn't be playing, that's what the rating system is for) for these crimes is getting us nowhere.

Unless you want restrictions on what you can play and watch, blaming TV or Xbox isn't the right path to take and won't make any difference anyways.

This didn't happen because some guy played Call of Duty. Millions of people play Call of Duty without shooting their mother in the head, grabbing her guns, and shooting up an elementary school.

Lumping one crazed psychopath who happened to play Call of Duty in with all of the other fans of FPS games accomplishes nothing.
 
talk about things that are really linked to crime. Things like sub-standard education, poverty, and lack of access to mental health care lead to far more deaths by gun than other things.

I agree that those should have been included to point to the root causes of high violence rates in parts of the country and the specifics of this incident and other mass murders.

The mental health issue is directly related to this incident and the other mass shootings in this country and those high profile crimes need to be the focus of the press conference. The other violent crimes tend to relate to the root causes you've cited of poverty, education, crime. Since they're no the focus of the press and not the cause of this incident and the other mass shootings it isn't a surprise that he stayed focused on this incident and not on the other nearly unrelated broader issue.
 
This is definitely not the time to be bashing the NRA. This infighting crap is the reason we still have obama in the white house because, the republicans couldn't agree on anything. Take your "I'm just not gonna support the NRA anymore" crap somewhere else. I'm pretty tired of it.
Leave the D and R talk out of it. This isn't the place for that.

We are in a situation now that is bigger than any phony divide you want to cling to.
 
The opposition was CERTAIN, that he would come out and say; "We don't want to ban guns", and walk off the stage. Then they would say; "The NRA has no solutions." He HAD to offer a solution.

I think what will happen, is the man (I missed his name) who they have picked to run this investigation will come back with some very tough, lucid, and practical security recommendations, which will be ignored entirely. But when they say; "The NRA has no solutions", they will hold this up as an example of; "Hey we tried, you didn't listen."
 
I am a gamer, and I do believe in the rights of video game manufacturers. But notice that he didn't talk about all violent video games. He singled out those which portray violence and lawlessness as not only a way of life, but how you win!

He didn't single out Call of Duty or Splinter Cell. He looked at games which encourage violent behavior. I think Mortal Kombat was a bit of a stretch, but GTA is a game where you are encouraged to steal cars, shoot down cops, and beat up and rob hookers after using their services, and it is a very popular series. Kindergarten shooter is...well, that should be obvious.

I majored in psychology, and I learned how horror movies get you to pay attention is by linking sex and violence. They get guys excited, and then splatter the walls with the blood of that damsel.

There is definitely a case for how certain types of video games glorify violence. With that said, I believe that any sane person can play these games and NOT emulate them, and that they can even provide a safe release of frustration. I also believe it is the right of the manufacturers to make these games and the responsibility of parents to censor their own kids.
 
I'm sure that there will be complaints about funding for these security guards. What he said about retired cops/military/etc. gave me an idea on how to "pay" for this. For retirees who are financially set, make the "pay" a tax deductible item for both Federal and State taxes. I don't know what an appropriate salary level would be for a security guard (suppose that depends on prevailing teacher pay in whatever area we're talking about).

For me, having a $30-50 thousand a year tax deduction would be sweet.

I'm not opposed to actual pay ... but everyone is already stretched with their taxes and other expenses and could this be a workable option?
 
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