"Why do you need 30 round magazines?"...

Because 40's are too long and quality drum mags are expensive.

Zardaia said:

Because 40's are too long and quality drum mags are expensive.

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And even quality drum magazines are usually less reliable

Why do you need 30 round magazines?"...

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Why do I need a 30 gallon gas tank on my truck??

Because I don't want to run out before I get where I'm going!
Without carrying spare cans of gas rattling around in the back.
And because I can have a 30 gal gas tank if I want too.

Heck, I could burn down half the next city tonight with 25 gallons of gas, and still have 5 gallons to get back home on, to burn down some more places closer to home tomorrow.

But I am not even remotely nearly slightly crazy enough to even think about doing it.
Or draw up plans for an escape.
And there ain't no way I'm killing myself when the cops come!

So I won't use my 30 gallons of gas in my truck for nefarious or psychotic reasons tonight, or tomorrow, or any time ever.

And the numerous 15-20-30-round mags in the gun room and basement, some of which have been there for 40+ years?
Same thing.
I don't/won't ever use them for psychotic reasons either.
Just to go shooting or varmint hunting and have some fun.

Hows that!

rc

Are you aware of any instances where a high capacity magazine was used, and needed to repel attackers?

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First one that came to mind was the Beckwith Incident written by Massad Ayoob.
http://www.afn.org/~guns/ayoob.html

Actually, it was 36 round mags in a full-auto S&W Model 76, used to defend against attackers at his gun shop in Florida. He had an AR too, but for whatever reason he had the mags downloaded to 15 rounds. I have to believe he came to regret that choice.

Not pointing to a specific incident, but on a practical basis I see a place for 30 round mags in a number of situations, like having acreage in an area known for rogue meth labs where you may be facing multiple undesirables in some remote woods (especially if they're doped up), or have land near the Mexican border where drug couriers or coyotes travel through. Absolutely no justification for legislating that law-abiding citizens should be outgunned. Also keep in mind that Columbine happened during the AWB and Harris had AWB-compliant 10 round mags....13 of 'em. If an attacker knows he's off to do some dirty business he can easily prepare himself with reloads, but the average citizen does well to carry a firearm at all, let alone spare mags. If you have any remaining doubts about the speed with which an attacker can swap mags, I suggest you re-watch Hupp's testimony about the Luby's Cafeteria shooting where she watched her parents die.

It is not a question of need.
It is a question of liberty.
Focusing on 30 round mags distracts from the real question, "Why are these known mental defectives allowed to remain untreated after they have been identified."

If you need it and don't have it your screwed.

If you have it and don't need it your safe.


Really, let's be honest here. Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance.

Do I "need" 30 round mags? Nope. In fact, they are inconvenient to shoot sometimes as they hang too low on my AR. I usually shoot with 10 or 20 round mags. But I must admit my AR looks better with a 30round in it and once in a while it is fun to do a clay pigeon contest (one mag/ 20 sec/ 30 pigeons/ 100yds unsupported, or 200yds supported).

When you restrict one right others will follow. Soon people will realize that eating fast food kills more than guns and ban McD's. With that they can place a limit on the amount of calories you can eat in one sitting- even in your home. They can start eliminating what cars you drive as those also kill more people in a day than guns do in a month (where can I verify that?) and limit us to cars that are within their norm. Lets look at motorcycles (another of my favorite things to do), and ban sports bikes as we do not need those either. There are many things more dangerous than firearms with any magazine size.

We have become a society the wants our safety regulated to us. We want a guarantee on everything and not have to worry. We want to be fat, happy, and lazy. We want to blame everything else except us. We want instant results to long term problems without any effort on our part.

We do not want to accept responsibility for ourselves and our actions. We do not want to look at another human and say he was evil because that might mean looking at ourselves and finding the seed there too. We do not want to see that we as well are a problem that must be fixed.

That might take work, rude awakenings, and commitment. None of those things are common to us anymore. This is the new America. This is the "way things are." Why fight it when the work is so hard? Why bother?

This is what we are up against.

Because a 30 round magazine costs less than three 10's?

WHY???

Why is it legal to buy a 450 HP corvette or camero? are you going to exceed the speed limit?. That would be my question to him. You could tag some EPA issues to that for debate too. My thirty round mag will never break a speed limit or cost a carbon point or get a DUI....LOL

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Why is it legal to buy a 450 HP corvette or camero? are you going to exceed the speed limit?. That would be my question to him. You could tag some EPA issues to that for debate too. My thirty round mag will never break a speed limit or cost a carbon point or get a DUI....LOL

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But it might be used to kill children.

That will be the response, without even having to think about it, and it won't move the conversation forward at all. I would just leave the part in bold out if/when you ever discuss or debate this issue with somebody.

Zombies!

We should have the right to have 30 round mags to protect America against all enemy’s foreign and domestic.

NEED?

I don't anymore - or to look at it another way - yet.

I also don't currently need many of the following which can be found about the homestead:

Snake-bite kits
Bottled water
Space blankets
Insurance; property, personal, professional and auto
Dogs with mouths full of teeth
Iodine pills
Snake shot
Buck shot
A motorcycle and a couple cars capable of over 150 MPH
A parachute

Hell the list goes on.

I find generally that one person's evaluation of a second person's need and subsequent desire (or perceived right) to act upon that evaluation has more to do with the first persons fixed personal points of view than any desire to understand or appreciate the second persons perspective.

I happen to think for the most part that people don't NEED many of the things they bought on credit which helped cause the current financial failings but I'll be damned if I feel qualified to limit their ability to make those bad choices even if I do currently feel the effects of their decisions.

A free society has consequences.

ApacheCoTodd, I couldn't agree more.

We live in a free country ... but my wife gets the cops called on her at the grocery store when my 5 children fall ill with the flu and she goes out to buy several packs of cold medicine.

Yup you've never seen hell until you get in the way of a 35 year old mother of 5 and her children's health, I thought I was going to have to bail her out of jail.

Free country... void where prohibited.

Police are to protect and serve. In assence they protect me and my family from the bad guys. To do this effectively in this day and age, most of them carry an AR15 with 30 rd mags.

In the event they do noy famid mt arrive in time I want to be equipped to effectively defend my family.

Why 30 rd mags?

All the better to protect the 2nd amendment my dear.....

You're right I don't need 30 rounders mags. I need 100 round drums or a mod that allows for an inexpensive belt fed lower receiver. Yeah that's what I need. Of course with a belt fed AR I'm going to need a quick change barrel.

Why are vehicles sold to people with DUI/DWI convictions.

Why is beer sold in 6,12,24,30 packs.

Why is not a 4473 type form required for the purchase of a vehicle.

Why do you need anything car/vehicle capable of going twice the highest speed limit on our highways.

Why can someone with zero experience riding a motorcycle able to buy one with a motor capable 200mph.

Why are you allowed to drive at 16 with no real driving experience.

Why, why, why?

LOL,

Queen, you took the words right outta my mouth.

usgunguy ;the police are not here to protect and serve, they are here to write reports and mop up after the incident happens, I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times that the police were there before the crime.

If three thugs are abiding by some law that makes ten round guns the maximum, and they happen to kick down my door in the middle of the night, I will need AT LEAST thirty rounds to counter the three guys shooting at me with ten rounds each.

Because it's called the "Bill of Rights"...

...not the "Bill of Needs".

Because the army gave me the ones I have and said take care of them. They the army still havent asked for them back.

I was cornered with this question a few days ago. So I asked if they had a copy of the Constitution. I said go read all of the Bill of Rights. Those are YOUR rights...not the governments...YOURS.

Now, after you've read and considered them, make a priority list. If the second amendment goes...what will you be OK with when they want to take another one...and then third, fourth?

I just pointed out that if we allow the start of the gutting process it will never stop.

I'm not sure they liked the thought.

Mark

Warp said:

But it might be used to kill children.

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Followed by, "Not while it's in my possession".