Austrailia gun ban fail

Sabb0 said:

i just spent 20 minutes typing up a big reply and lost it while this site was doing maintenance.

anyways heres the short version.

here in Oz we cannot use self defence as a legitimate excuse to own a firearm.
in my state it took me 10 months to gain my firearms licence. this only allows me the use of rimfire and centrefire (this state has just banned the .338 lapua).
handgun ownership requires more training and certification and permission is only given for club based target shooting.

please dont allow your country to follow us as it appears in the media.

here are some government stats if your interested:

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html


im happy to answer any questions you may have.

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what course's do the thug's and criminal's take?

Jaxondog, thats the pink elephant in the room that the government and the media refuse to acknowledge over here.

Instead they beat on us LAFOs because we are an easy target and its easier for them to appear to be fixing it than actually do something about the real problem.

Ms_Dragon, im really sorry to hear that your treated this badly. Ive lived in 4 different states in Aus. Sounds like you need to find a better area.

The big point in this thread i think is please dont fall for what we did.

Once its gone its very hard to get back.

thanks.

Sabb0 said:

i just spent 20 minutes typing up a big reply and lost it while this site was doing maintenance.

anyways heres the short version.

here in Oz we cannot use self defence as a legitimate excuse to own a firearm.
in my state it took me 10 months to gain my firearms licence. this only allows me the use of rimfire and centrefire (this state has just banned the .338 lapua).
handgun ownership requires more training and certification and permission is only given for club based target shooting.

please dont allow your country to follow us as it appears in the media.

here are some government stats if your interested:

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html


im happy to answer any questions you may have.

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Ms_Dragon said:

@Pilot.

Thank you for you acknowledgment.

It's not only me who has to live this way day in, and day out.
It's every female I know.
They ALL have the same story to tell.
Statistics are all good and well but they never show the true picture.
Fore every sexual assault or rape that is reported in this country five to ten more aren't reported due to either fear of the aggressor or intimidation at the hands of law enforcement agencies.

The stats. give the smallest insight into the issue of assaults in this country.

This is where being able to carry comes in.

We aren't heroes.
We aren't rambo wanna-be's.

We just want to be able to conduct our normal business without the very real threat of sexual harassment hanging over our heads. 24/7.

The Australian government has no answers and every regional domestic violence / assault court is clogged to the rafters with cases and perps. who get nowt but a slap on the wrist for their mis-deeds.

Mayhap if laws change and rapists are splashed across the evening news with good sized bullet hole in their chests and decent women folk had the right to carry and protect themselves maybe the culture would shift.

In the mean time Australian women have a better than 1 in 3, or in my opinion better, chance of being sexually assaulted.

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Sabb0 said:

Jaxondog, thats the pink elephant in the room that the government and the media refuse to acknowledge over here.

Instead they beat on us LAFOs because we are an easy target and its easier for them to appear to be fixing it than actually do something about the real problem.

Ms_Dragon, im really sorry to hear that your treated this badly. Ive lived in 4 different states in Aus. Sounds like you need to find a better area.

The big point in this thread i think is please dont fall for what we did.

Once its gone its very hard to get back.

thanks.

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I know I'm basically talking to the choir on this forum...But to any of those out there who are beating the drums for gun control -- or for incremental and "reasonable" accommodations -- I would like to reiterate the quotes of those folks above who have been there and done that...Especially because it runs contrary to the narrative that antis are trying to foist upon us about the "blessings" of gun control in other countries.


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I just read the wilkepedia take on that port aurther shooting because I knew little about it but wow what nightmare scenario. The shooter had no resistance to do what he was enthusiastically doing until 2 distance police officers had to drive in. Doesn't even seem they may have even been armed. They get pinned down and the shooter calls the wife of one and torments her. It took hours and a special police force to "wait him out" of a burning building. Seems maybe the policing system was a bit laxed and got caught with their pants down so they demonized the gun to avoid the real issues. After an incident like that it makes it more apparent in a more free country to carry a firearm. Doesn't mention shooter wearing armor. If one person had a shot at that looney it could have only helped.

http://now.msn.com/windshield-punched-out-in-australian-road-rage-video

In spite of having a license # they waited for this guy to turn himself in.

Notice the great advice he got from the 000 operator.

the Australian culture of male sexism has to be experienced. If only from a womans point of view.

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You're not the first Aussie lady I've heard that from.

Funny how you are deliberately sidestepping someone who has been a victim of violent crime in your own country and who wants to see the number of those violent crimes reduced.

Willing to discuss the dirty laundry of another country and not your own is hypocritical in the extreme.

You have NO credibility here thanks.

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Apologies for missing that, I will go back and read, it has been a fairly busy week, so I skimmed a fair bit. I apologise for that. I am sorry. Your assumption that I deliberately "sidestepped" it is wrong, and I don't appreciate your attitude (whoever you are) in telling me I have no credibility for giving my opinion. Your opinion is as worthless as mine, and your opinion that I have no credibility is itself incredible.

It seems you must hang around the wrong people, and that sucks, but do something about it, don't cry about how bad your situation is. Yes there are a lot of brain-dead yobbo morons in this country, who have no intelligence, class or culture, but myself, being a software engineer find I spend most of my time around intelligent people, behaving in a pleasant and reasonable way. There's no reason you need to associate with the dregs of society.

But I'm done with this thread, just like the others in past years I bother to try to correct the "Great Austrailiain gun ban" that actually wasn't what it is blown out of proportion to be, this one has turned out the same. I am wrong, you are right, Australians are all sheep, living in a tyrannical hellhole. Guns were banned, they don't exist here, especially not in any manner where it is reasonable straightforward to obtain.

Apology

Hi, i feel i have to apologise for my fellow countryman above "route666"

We are all different and thats life i guess.

Anyone who has travelled will realise that we are all very similar apart from colour or language or culture. We all know others that are happy, sad, angry, enlightened, Pig headed etc. But human nature is universal, people in positions of power will eventually abuse this responsibility, regardless of their political leaning. Whats happening now in your country has happened in every country on earth and will continue to happen. Human nature is human nature and is very hard to rise above.

on a side note, i just got word that my mother is stranded in Port Arthur due to a massive bushfire in that area. There has been one death and one town lost at this stage. Shes ok but is a coincidence.

The basic message would seem to me to be....

"Do not allow what happened to Australia's lawful firearms owners to happen to you"

I have lived in Australia since 1995 and was present for the Howard-led media frenzy and lynch mob attitude to lawful shooters which ensued.

Route666 greatly oversimplifies what happened in 1996:

What our gun law changes did, after the Martin Bryant Port Arthur massacre (knee-jerk change, yes, and there are too many restrictions for my liking) is reduce the likelihood that a moron will get his hands on a gun and go nuts with it. It allowed people to either uphold their new licensing requirements and keep their firearms or sell them to the government.

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In actual fact, those holding semi-auto rifles and semi-auto/pump action shotguns were compelled to sell their firearms to the government. The draconian exemptions for keeping them were simply not attainable by the vast majority of shooters. In most states a registration list made this compulsory seizure possible.

Recently an Australia Post operator in Sydney has been charged with importing 120 Glock 26 pistols and selling them on the black market.
Any "moron" with sufficient funds (which to be fair, is certainly an accurate description of the Port Arthur shooter) can acquire a firearm relatively easily anywhere in Australia, so long as they do not try to make it "legal". Americans might think that more Australians would have valued their means to self defense, but such was not the case. Australian society is quite different to that part of the U.S. population which lawfully holds firearms for whatever reason.

Let's just do our utmost to see that what happened in Oz doesn't happen in the U.S.

MachIVshooter said:

There is just a fundamental difference in the way Americans view gun versus other "developed" nations. Self defense and defense against tyranny just don't seem to be valid reasons for most European-type gun owners (sorry to lump you Aussies into that crowd, but you know what I mean.)

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Considering some of them just used their arms to defend against tyranny not even 70 years ago, you would think they would have a different view...

Hey, we have pictures of the dudes who wrote the second amendment on our money. Some of those less gun friendly countries have pictures of English Monarchs on their money. The US split away from the rest of the "Western World" long ago. A bunch of those other countries had their revolutions, and restorations, and revolutions again, and restorations again.

The US has had some tyrants in command too (some of them have pictures on our money also), luckily they didn't have a lifetime term limit though....

But the US population never sent guns to Australia to help them after being attacked during WW2, which was your original claim; the video you reference had NOTHING to do with WW2, and showed them dumping guns which had been turned in after Howard passed his ignorant law.

correct. they were sent to England during the war.