New Hydrashocks?

OK Here's the Skinny

This is from inside ATK, which is the parent company of both Federal and Speer/CCI.

Today, I asked someone who works for ATK the folowing questions;


Q) I have been hearing rumors that one of your companies, Federal Cartridge Company, is discontinuing the manufacture of Hydra-Shok ammunition. Is this true?

A) We have no plans to discontinue the Hydra Shok but we must continue to develop.

Q) I have also heard that the replacement will be called HS2. Is this a new form of Hydra-Shok?

A) New Bullet will be called HST - no Post.

Q) So, the current Hyrda-Shok will still be available?

A) Yes it will.

Q) Do you have any more info on the new rounds? Release date? Photos?

A) I have nothing yet and I suspect we wont until after the Shot Show.



So there you have it. Hydra-Shok isn't going away any time soon. But there is something in the works besides the EFMJ.

Bear

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Well done, Bluesbear.

I got this (and much more) earlier this week, but haven't had a chance to put it together yet as I'm awaiting some images from ATK.

This makes much more sense than what Cozine told the Primedia gunzine writers in August, and what Drew Goodlin told Tom Gresham's radio audience about the same time. Corzine's statement is especially disturbing since he's the #3 guy there at this point and apparently with a career track in mind, and it looks like his ego took hold of him in front of a bunch of writers.

That commercial site referenced was all wrong, but as one of my sources said yesterday, "they only know what they were told."

Good job.

 

Federal Hi-Shok 2 (HST) bullets feature a hollow point cavity precisely engineered for each caliber and load.

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Just like Speer's Gold Dot. IMHO the best JHP ammo that a civilian can buy. Remember that there is no magic bullet and that shot placement is all that counts.

HST means Hi ShoK Tactical, not Hi Shok Two.

Mind not reviving 4 year old threads?

But look at how polite everyone was back then.
Now the mods gotta work for their uhhh what do yall work for?

What's with teh Necroposting?

You aren't familiar with Dean Speir I take it. That guy is ......... well I guess colorful is a good description. Go to The Gun Zone and browse. You'll see.

Intresting thing Federal started calling HST as Hi Shok Two. They packaged it in the Classic box. Later they said HST does not mean anything and packaged it in the Premium box.

Now HST is in the Tactical line with the other LE rounds such as the Bonded, Hydra Shok, and EFMJ ammo.

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MattXYZ said:

HST means Hi ShoK Tactical, not Hi Shok Two.

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ATK/Federal can rename, re-brand or reposition, its product line any ol' way it sees fit, of course, but it may be instructive for you to consult the current edition of their Website:

• Tactical
  
• Hydra-Shok
  
• Hi-Shok

You will note that "Hi-Shok" and "Tactical" are two distinct lines, and designs, with Hydra-Shok comprising a third.

While the company was a little soft on the launch of the "HST" or "HS2" product, according to Tom Burczynski, the guy who came up with the original Hydra-Shok concept back in the early '70s before licensing it to pre-ATK Federal in the mid-'80s, it meant "Hydra-Shok 2." And Hotpig seems to have a reasonably accurate grasp of this inexplicably controversal issue of nomenclature.

Phaetos said:

Mind not reviving 4 year old threads?

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And "necroposting" (interesting coinage, BTW) would be, what, against Forum policy? It's certainly not a hard and fast rule, or threads would "lock" after a certain period of inactivity.

Guy's a recent Member, and felt he had something to contribute… not sure why you and MisterPX are suggesting that MattXYZ is time-barred from adding his tuppence. I'm just not sure of the basis of his assertion, since it is not supported by ATK/Federal's own site.

Not sure how your comments are relevant, Checkmate, but thank you, I think.

i hope atk does not discontinue production the hydra-shok line.

it is reliable in my mags and '11a1s and, unlike hst, current hydra-shock is kind to my commander aluminum feed ramps.

salty, one hand typist.

I've got a box of "Hydra-Shoks" called Scorpions made in the early '70's that I don't believe had anything to do with the Federal Cartridge CO. I believe they were marketed by a company called Hydra-Shok. Anyone remember these?

I carry them now because that is what I was issued in Moscow on the Charles River (PRC) when I worked for the .gov there.

They are a good round today and have the added benefit of the former reason.

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saltydog452 said:

i hope atk does not discontinue production the hydra-shok line.

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The late (to ATK, at least) Mr. Corzine's assertions to the contrary, Hydra-Shok appears to be here for the foreseeable future.

jlrhiner said:

I've got a box of "Hydra-Shoks" called Scorpions made in the early '70's that I don't believe had anything to do with the Federal Cartridge CO. I believe they were marketed by a company called Hydra-Shok. Anyone remember these?

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Those would the original Hydra-Shoks made by... wait for it, as Radar O'Reilly used to say... Hydra-Shok, probably of Watkins Glen, NY. I have several boxes fro that time-frame, simple red with black packaging. It was at a time when the now defunct Alberts swaged the projectiles for Burczynski, and his associate Dick Bauman loaded them.

And as I noted above, Burczynski was "the guy who came up with the original Hydra-Shok concept back in the early '70s before licensing it to pre-ATK Federal in the mid-'80s."

gezzer said:

Spelling and Grammar Nazis are pests, with no life giving no useful input to discussion

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That's nothing more than a cheap excuse for being lazy and taking no pride in your communications skills.

please excuse me if ive overlooked a response already addressing this. i think youre referencing the federal HST ("hydra shok two") #FC-PXXHSTX and HST3 (+P loads), all of which are available to law enforcement only. i emailed federal and told them that if they didnt think i (as an honest citizen) wasnt good enough to purchase the HST then federal wasnt good enough for me. i told them i would not buy any federal ammunition, certainly not their dated hydra shok, and told them i would encourage others to boycott the company also. the way i figure it, if the average citizen isnt good enough for their best product, then the average citizen shouldnt purchase anything from them. they emailed me back stating that it was a production issue, and that they would eventually be available for over the counter sales. i emailed them back asking for an estimated time frame and never heard from them again. im giving them the benefit of the doubt for now to see if they hold good on their word.

Dean Speir said:

The other issue which too many have failed to grasp, is that modern handgun projectiles have been engineered to perform (terminal ballistics) at specific velocities, so that if Tom Burczynski's Starfire "machine-in-a-bullet" 230-grainer is designed to open within a 825-900 fps range and penetrate to a depth of 10-14 inches, what does driving the identical projectile 100-150 fps faster actually accomplish?!?

Suffice to say, it defeats the engineering of that projectile. In this realm, "faster" isn't better except in the minds of shooting customers who haven't thought things through very thoroughly.

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I find myself saying that on a fairly frequent basis, but you articulated it much better than I could.

FWIW, I don't have a problem with resurrected threads either. Evidently someone wanted to talk about it. Isn't that why we're here?

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MontanaBighorn said:

i told them i would not buy any federal ammunition, certainly not their dated hydra shok, and told them i would encourage others to boycott the company also.

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Well, you certainly seem to have put the fear of Nathan into them!

choochboost said:

FWIW, I don't have a problem with resurrected threads either.

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But then you're not a "Forum Nanny", are you?!

"Forum Nannies" are crypto-Social Democrats who have an idea of how things should be, and continually attempt to impose their sensibilities on all around them.

Still, I rather enjoyed the "necro-posting" coinage... it is said that if one can affix an opprobrious name or label to an object or an action, it can be destroyed. Witness: "litterbug," "cop killer bullets," "Saturday Night Specials," "assault weapon," etc.

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thanks for the sarcasm. perhaps you dont value sales numbers to "regular joe", but many companies do. perhaps you dont value the strength in numbers but thanks to the information age, as the zumbo incident demonstrated, there is indeed strength in numbers.....even for us lowly peasants.

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The HST is not related to the Hydra Shock. Hi Shok Two was to replace that product line twelve years ago. It performed so well that Federal put it against the Winchester T-Series product line.

You do realize that this thread is ten years old, right? Revived once six years ago?

Revisted four times now.

I am proud to be part of this historic thread.

mljdeckard said:

You do realize that this thread is ten years old, right? Revived once six years ago?

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Yep. I even acknowledged it:

PGT said:

sorry for the bump

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I thought it was interesting info to share on the history of Hydra-Shok. Forgive me for wanting to share it with the gun community at large...thought someone would appreciate it.

Federal HST > Hydra-Shok.