The Untactical Advantage

How about a 30-30 lever gun (Henry, Marlin, etc.). Ballistically very similar to a 7.62 x 39, I believe.

Even NYS' recent ban exempted tube fed 22LRs.

Or perhaps a Marlin Camp 45. None of the evil black rifle accouterments and it uses 1911 mags, generally 7 rounds.

M1 Garand? 30-30 Lever?

M1 Garand is still on NY ban list.... I believe

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Well going with the assumption that any likely ban would be the same as last time, and not more stringent like Feinstein was going to propose, I think the SKS or Mini-14 could potentially not be banned. They may need to take off the flash hider or something, though. A rifle like the Remington 750 is semi-auto but looks very much like your typical deer rifle, same with a browning BAR.

Never say never. I would say that NO firearms need to be considered exempt from their madness. Because they are, for all intents and purposes, mad. So called "assault weapons" are simply the first step. Then it's your Remington 7400 and Browning BAR. Then it's everything else.

Craig said it right. First 'assault weapons' next your 'high powered sniper rifle' aka your 3x9 scoped .270. So fight tooth and nail to protect the AR's and AK's, because if we lose them....everything is next.

Nice idea, but the grabbers have no intention of stopping at those dangerous looking black guns.

That said, I can play along. Before you start looking at WHICH gun you need to look at the most restrictive set of rules that you would have to live by. At this point I believe it would be the NYS law. That might change in the near future when ********** (apparently you cannot spell California with a K!)tries to one up NYS.

What is OK?

• Hunting rifle style stock. No pistol grip. No thumb hole. No barrel shroud.
• Removeable magazine with a max capacity of 7.
• Caliber that is effective against a 250 pound man but with ammo available to reduce over penetration.
• Short enough to be manuvered in doors. Long enough to be legal.

Jim

Unfortunately for many, you can't buy the major factor in "tactical". It's in the mindset of the operator-not the tools he uses.
A person with the mindset (and adequate skillset)can make it happen with most any tool he puts his hands on.
Alvin York didn't have a lot of "tactical" knowledge but he knew how to use hunting skills to his advantage AND he knew how to use the tool at hand(bolt action 5 shot rifle) to make it happen.
I'll admit to having an AR with a light/laser mounted but only because I've found that addition is likely to give me an edge in a confrontation.

I thought of one.....flintlock muzzle loader with at least an 18 in. Bbl. Because THAT is what the founding fathers were actually taking about when they wrote the 2nd into the constitution.....sarcasm off.

Maybe MAYBE an old 30-30. But that would depend on 'clip' (tube) capacity. Perhaps with a plug. Oh and maybe your 12 gauge. But eventually....the anti's will come for it all. Just ask Britain.....

If they ban semi-autos completely, you're going to be left with a lever or pump gun as the fastest action out there. Bolts can be fast, but most require breaking the cheek weld to cycle the action. The problem with a lever or a pump though, is neither is the most reliable action in the world. Both have problems with jamming and holding up under adverse conditions. Most levers require the use of flat-nosed bullets, but whatever you're shooting is not going to notice the difference much inside of 200 yards. Almost all engagements take place inside that range, so I that argument is pretty moot.

Personally, I think I'd grab my old SMLE No. 4 Mk. I: 10 round magazine capacity, probably the fastest bolt action in the world, a great set of sights, and enough heft/steel butt plate to use as a very effective club. Ammo availability is the biggest drawback, but you have the power and accuracy to reach out and smack something if you really have to.

That's gonna be your lever action rifle in just about any available caliber. Likewise just about any bolt action rifle in any caliber.

I think a good old 30-30 pre-64 Winchester model 94 would be a very good choice.

Me, in bolt, I'd want a Model of 1917. 30-06 (not a military caliber for 40 years), 5-shot (or is that a 6?), great sights, etc etc. Plus it is just really cool.

yep, gonna be a lever action. caliber choice would depend on if a tube was a magazine.

I'm waiting for some nutcase with a levergun fetish to go on a rampage. Be just as effective as the recent ones.

http://www.benelliusa.com/rifles/benelli-r1-rifle.php

Bit bigger, but it's a semi-auto rifle with 4+1 or 3+1 capacity.

I came to the conclusion that a lever gun in a pistol caliber with a long tube magazine was the best weapon for this role. That's why a Marlin in 44 magnum with a Williams aperture sight rides in the trunk of my car. Light, handy, ergonomic and easy to transport. The magazine is slow to reload when empty but single rounds can be fed through the loading port fairly easily.

I came to this conclusion following a post-Katrina discussion on rec.guns about the guns least likely to be considered "threatening" based on appearance. Smart idea? Who knows, but it's a neat little rifle and I'm always happy to have a justification for buying a new gun.

Gotta go with a lever action in 30-30. It's quick, handy, Holds a decent ammount of ammo, and the ammo is easy to find. It might not drive tacks, but it makes the ideal Get-Out-Of-Dodge rifle.

They were *all* the AR's of their day...and eventually, they would *all* be taken if they had their way.

Funny, i've been drooling over a Winchester lever in .357 for a while thinking the same thing.

M1 Garand is still on NY ban list.... I believe

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How fitting that the rifle that saved the free world is banned by the tyrannical government currently in power in New York.

(I know the Garand itself is technically not banned, but without it's iconic 8-round en-bloc clip, it's not the same.)

I'll go ahead with the mantra that a good shooter makes whatever rifle's used irrelevant.

Barring that though... I would say the M1 Carbine, but that'd be on some ban lists. Might be a bit underpowered for some people's liking, but I think it'd work just fine for self-defense. Downright deadly with soft points.

I'd say any relatively popular milsurp bolt-action that you have good ammo supplies for. For me, that's a Mosin-Nagant. Until I roll more .30-06 for my '03-A3.

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I used that with a mini-14 to demonstrate a point to an anti... same caliber, function, capacity yet no one cares as they dont have those evil features.

I agree with the others though. nothing is truly safe now-a-days.

It's in the mindset of the operator-not the tools he uses.

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Or the tool operating the firearm, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Gee, sure am glad I changed out that black stock on my Tikka T-3!

Better go spray paint my sling shot now!

Yep... 30-30.... The original assault rifle.

Ladies and gentlemen,
While agreeing that the antis really are after everything, I think the original poster and I agree that there is something to be said for a rifle that does not 'attract undue attention' or scare away the "L.I.V." ("Low Information Voter".
To illustrate my point..
One of my friends who works in a LGS relates that he was off of a road in the forest not too far from a small city in north Idaho, happily plinking away with a .45-70 lever action rifle and wearing a .357 revolver in a 'western' style leather holster that dropped down from his belt. In the course of his happy plinking, he was seen by a local sherrif deputy, and the two waved at each other from a little distance, the deputy driving on his merry way. Fast forward some time, same fellow, same place and this time happily plinking away with an AR-15 and a pistol in some sort of nylon drop-leg holster. At some point, he looked around and found himself surrounded by the local SWAT team, nervously looking at his 'evil black rifle'.
Also, on being, 'untactical'..
There I was, sitting at a Starbucks and sipping my coffee, surfing the net.. at the same coffee store, there were four law enforcement officers, also drinking their lattes. And, in walks a fellow, I did not know him, but he was wearing 'tactical' pants, the ones with the rappeling strap around the bottom and the frag grenade pouches, etc. And a 'tactical' vest with over 50 pockets for all the impedimentia one could weigh oneself down with (I am sure we all know what we are talking about) You should have seen the nervous reaction of all four of the policemen, they stopped chatting, put their drinks down, freed up their 'gun hands', and never took their eyes of off the poor fellow. From what I could observe, none of the four even gave me a second glance....
So I think the idea of having a suitable 'non-scary' rifle (or whatever) has some merit. A wood stock etc...
I am not opposed to ARs or AKs or whatnot, but I do a lot of shooting with things that are not as 'scary' to the 'non-gun' crowd.
Lever action .30-30, as others have suggested...