NY Gun Owners Threatening Non-Compliance With New Gun Control Laws

This is bizarre.

A discussion about the real possibility of mass civil disobedience, possibly a monumental and historic occasion, interspersed with a frivolous discussion about coffee?

I too live ''upstate'', I feel your pain. I live in a little red corner of upper California, almost to Oregon, and my vote does not count for jack. I STILL stubbornly vote every time, but it doesn't mean much to anyone but me.

I agree civil disobedience is crucial but I am trying to consider all ways information will be leveraged against us

Resist now!

Thank God, Martin Luther King stood up against unjust "laws."

To defy the law in a civil way will win this fight.

What part of "not be infringed upon" do they not understand?? Limiting New York Residents to 7 rounds IS infringing on their 2nd amendment rights!!!!

Are they threatening to vote the bastards out yet?

Mucho cajones, NY! Good on ya'!

I'm up for some civil disobedience if it comes to AR! I'm old, kids grown, my job was eliminated, and I'm rife with government disgust over nearly everything it stands for, and spends our tax dollars on.

I'm an old curmudgeon financially strapped, can't get hired, skip meals, love my wife, so when do I get started? I can still throw rocks 10 feet or so, but can't see my target. I talk to squirrels outside, and my wife assures me there aren't any in the audience. ;-]

I know my marshmallow blow-gun still works, as I chase my wife around the house occasionally. I forgot where I put the Viagra, so that's about as much fun as I get around here.

I'd make a perfect civil disobedience lackey. Oh, I forgot to mention, I'm ill, so I have really nothing to lose. At least 3 squares a day and clothes that don't have holes in them, a TV that actually works, and lots of friends.

Seriously, though. I'd wait for someone to knock at the door to confiscate, then do my civil duty to obey the Constitution. I pray it doesn't come to that, pitting brother against brother. I'll probably be dead before something like that happens, if ever, but I may be sure I will be dead if it does. I often wear my NY T-shirt, because it's cool, and fits perfectly.

What part of "not be infringed upon" do they not understand?? Limiting New York Residents to 7 rounds IS infringing on their 2nd amendment rights!!!!

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This is exactly how this issues needs to be approached.

We should not be on the defensive about NY being a spreading disease, we need to be on the offensive hammering away at the point that this new legislation that Cumuo rammed through the legislature has placed New York in a state of insurrection against the US Constitution.

It was done recklessly, in the dead of night, and without regard for the state's own due process for legislation -- the New York SAFE Act was, for our purposes, opening fire on Ft Sumter.

The only thing that may be hard for some gun owners to wrap their head around is we're the Union, they're the rebels.

Gun owners in New York need to not just engage in civil disobedience, they need to get law suits raining into the court systems like JDAMs in Tora Bora. The fight is definitely on, and things are definitely precarious, but there's potential here for the pro-2A side to maul the anti-gun side horrifically thanks to the bumbling by Cuomo in his rush to open fire on the Constitution.

Looks like New York is going to show everyone how it's done. Bravo!!

"The first guy through the wall always gets bloodied..." Its up to us to not forget that guy, and to support him, (or them), to the best of our ability.

I am sad to see so much talk on all gun boards to the effect of "well thats NY's problem, they voted them in, they can deal with it". I assure you, any state in the Union with a large city or a growing city population can and will have the same problems we are having here. 80+ percent of the State's geographic land mass is dominated by ONE CITY. Our politicians pander to them because THAT is where they fund raise. Upstate is outnumbered more than 2 to 1 at the polls. WE are not represented by people whom we vote for at high offices.

Ben Franklin said it best-

we must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.

NY will NOT be an isolated event. We will be the proving grounds on the viability of this legislation. I don't care what you think of your state's population and voting habits now- This will come to you in your time or in the time of your children.

We all need to ditch the lone-wolf mentality and get on the same page here.

I personally think this article hurts us. It is an attempt at discrediting the gun lobby as would-be criminals, people on the fringe who disobey laws. This battle will be fought in the courts, and we will do our best to keep trying to elect good officials that will represent us, but this had bi-partisan support- some of which had A ratings from the NRA (skelos was an A in 2010).

I am an Upstater- born and raised. I was raised in CNY, and educated in NYC and now live in WNY. I have seen much of the political climate of NYS and had a better opportunity than most to participate to the best of my ability in trying to support a government that I believe represents me. Please- do not give up on NYS, and do not write us off. I'm not asking you to give your money to our legal funds (though you can if you want) nor am I asking you to move here and help us win the polls with sheer numbers. I am asking you for your verbal, outward support.

We in NYS will fight as hard as we can to beat this legislation- but please don't leave us out in the cold. I don't think we could do anything worse than infighting on the eve of federal legislation, that I would bet is closely watching how things shake out in New York.

You need more people to register to vote and hand your Governor his walking papers. It will be tough because NYC is the controlling factor, very similar to Chicago and Illinois.

Mike
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bushmaster1313 said:

I would not throw away my life to flip the bird to a politician who could not care less.

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Guess we should all be glad Jefferson, Patrick Henry, John Adams, George Washington, Nathaniel Greene, Daniel Morgan et. al didn't feel the same way...

Finally, some NY'ers with some guts.

Was kinda wondering with all the ads of mags for sale from guys from NY going up on gun boards.

If the anecdotal evidence I've been given is correct, the current NYS AWB is lacking in both compliance and enforcement, at least in the rural, upstate areas. I don't see that changing much.

joeschmoe said:

Are they threatening to vote the bastards out yet?

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I don't understand all of this...they voted for them nonsense.

Do we have any proof that the people who dislike gun control voted for these politicials?

At least half of New York State's legislature consists of reps from New York City. How is that representative of the state as a whole?

IMHO, this is not one of the battles worth fighting.

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If you give up the means to fight, your resistance will be futile when a fight "worth" having finally comes.

HorseSoldier said:

This is exactly how this issues needs to be approached.

We should not be on the defensive about NY being a spreading disease, we need to be on the offensive hammering away at the point that this new legislation that Cumuo rammed through the legislature has placed New York in a state of insurrection against the US Constitution.

It was done recklessly, in the dead of night, and without regard for the state's own due process for legislation -- the New York SAFE Act was, for our purposes, opening fire on Ft Sumter.

The only thing that may be hard for some gun owners to wrap their head around is we're the Union, they're the rebels.

Gun owners in New York need to not just engage in civil disobedience, they need to get law suits raining into the court systems like JDAMs in Tora Bora. The fight is definitely on, and things are definitely precarious, but there's potential here for the pro-2A side to maul the anti-gun side horrifically thanks to the bumbling by Cuomo in his rush to open fire on the Constitution.

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you are correct and I'm just wondering why the law suit's have not started yet. This is exactly what we need.

Lawsuits take research, which requires labor, which requires payroll. Who's footing the bill? Nobody has yet spoke up they have been injured. That doesn't mean the NRA isn't doing that research as we speak. And once it's done, they can and will show up knowing the answers to the question before they ask - it's what lawyers do best.

I would not throw away my life to flip the bird to a politician who could not care less.

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It's a choice up to the individual - not many would stand up to King George, and some even helped, unwittingly or not. But when Boston was disarmed and taken over by His Majesty's armed forces, and the troops literally lived in your home, attitudes changed.

When CA passed their first AWB, there was a deadline, and a lot of folks ignored it, too. Those guns are still in the state, and they haven't gone away. Plenty of folks in the south just drive out in the desert and use a hidden arroyo to practice, just as we do in various mined areas or on farms here. Simple discretion keeps things under wraps.

If you are worried about your neighbors ratting you out, that is an indicator you are already having your rights dictated by others. If you're comfortable about that, how about we address the problem of alcohol, and apply the same prohibitions? After all, tens of thousands are killed drunk driving, three thousand teens every year.

If they can impede your rights concerning firearms, how much more alcohol? We've already had Prohibition once, so why not a three day waiting period, a three beer limit, registering your purchase on a real time database? Will you like getting pulled over on the way back from the bar or liquor store because they are looking for you?

Next up, you can't have more children than they say. You can't own a house with more square feet than you need. You can't drive a car with more cylinders than the number of seats in it. And if you are a registered alcohol drinker, you can't start it without using the mandatory breathalyzer, every time.

People say they can pick and choose their fight, but in the long run, when the bully on the block gets tired of beating down his selected targets one at a time, he WILL come for you. It's what he does. You either bend your knee or it gets broken.

Better to fix it early, with help, before a lot of innocent people get hurt. Some run away from the sounds of gunfire, some run toward it. If you can't help, then get out of the way. Don't be part of the problem if being part of the solution is distasteful.

While there are some fanciful writeups of the hardships the signers of the Declaration of Independence suffered, what is real and factual is that they did suffer a great deal simply due to the fortunes of war, even if they weren't a target of deliberate actions. Some did die, some did have their properties ransacked, some did suffer financial loss, some did lose their sons - simply because they had the ravages of war inflicted on them, too. They weren't ignorant of the costs when they signed - the history of warfare was well studied among this literate group. Nonetheless, they did so.

They didn't throw away their life wastefully to insult a politician who didn't care. They beat him on the field of battle, and WE enjoy the fruits of their sacrifices. It's something men of character do when circumstances require selfless action.

Ask any one who volunteers to serve in the Armed Forces, police, fire, or emergency services. They understand.

prisons are already over crowded, if they stick together that new law will be gone in a hurry..

The problem is that they know this. So rather then send you "up the river" they would settle for a fine - and a felony conviction that would mean you could never, ever legally possess a firearm or ammunition for the rest of your life.

Do we have any proof that the people who dislike gun control voted for these politicials?

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Look at the people on this website alone who justify voting for anti gun politicians because "they were the lesser of two evils" or because "he's really good on the other issues" or my favorite "other than that he's a conservative".

This is a good sign.

NY is a test bed for harsh gun laws; They know if they can't make it work there, then there's no way they can do it in red state "fly over" country.

New Yorkers have my support. I'll happily contribute to any defense fund of a brave individual they try to make an example of.

There was also the possibility that they voted for them before gun control came into the spotlight. It's always there in the media, but there hasn't been a frenzy for bans in a while.

IMHO it's a far better tactic to take your tax dollars out of NY entirely and leave your house to the crackheads. Scorched earth. The gov is a gibbering mobster. He doesn't care about civil disobedience. In fact it gives him an opportunity to "get tough" on guns. But the state is struggling for money and has been losing tax payers for decades--replacing them with new immigrants. Remove even a few tens of thousands of gun owners along with Remington and Albany will start feeling the hurt right away. NY relies on the declining middle class to prop up its welfare state and keep the billionaires happy. Remove them and it starts to look more and more like Detroit.

Mass civil disobedience is the answer. I sincerely hope that gun owners ignore the law and tell the their draconian govenor to hit the road. Same goes for every politician that voted for it. The whole deal was done in the dark of night without time for any kind of citizen response.

If I lived there and had the means, I'd leave the state.