Intuit drops my company because we sell gun stuff

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I've used turbotax for 6 years, I will not be using them again. I am going to take a look at everyone who gets my $$ to see what their policies are regarding firearms / 2A. Not something I've ever given a second of thought about in the past but it's one more small thing I/we can do.

If there isnt a thread/sticky started maybe one should be that lists companies that support anti-firearms legislation. I am new to THR so havent read it all yet.
 
There needs to be a law akin to the firearm manufacturers' protection law that prohibits a merchant or bank from discriminating against a company based on any lawful business. This needs to stop. Now. Banks and credit card providers shouldn't be able to say "We won't service you" simply because you don't align with their politics. They hold too much power in business nowadays and could easily cause significant harm if enough of them got onboard.
 
When the Intuit/Quicken group opened a Reno operation over a decade ago, they were already doing that. I thought that they, like BOA, were common knowledge about their stance.

Sorry to hear it, but if boards like this can get that big PA show cancelled, it might be worth a try to spread the word on every forum about this........
 
WardenWolf said:
There needs to be a law akin to the firearm manufacturers' protection law that prohibits a merchant or bank from discriminating against a company based on any lawful business. This needs to stop. Now. Banks and credit card providers shouldn't be able to say "We won't service you" simply because you don't align with their politics. They hold too much power in business nowadays and could easily cause significant harm if enough of them got onboard.
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Wait? So I should be curtailed in my right to do business with only those people I choose?

I should lose my right to deny services to someone because I suspect they may not end up paying on time (slow paying is, after all, not illegal)? May not be a good fit for my business? Because I don't like someone's ANTI RKBA politics? Or I'm just really busy?

I should now be punished for - after 20+ years of operating - the fact that I'm finally getting to a point of being successful enough that I can turn business away? All because someone's politics may be offended?

The right NOT to do business with someone (even if they're legal) is just as important as the right to run your own business. I don't want the government telling me or anyone else they have to take whatever customer comes along.

Sorry, but I like ALL my rights, thanks.
 
There's something called "Restraint of trade", Gossamer. These companies are the gatekeepers to doing business in the modern world. There's a reason why Internet Service Providers aren't allowed to filter traffic or discriminate as long as what you do is legal and not harmful to their network (net neutrality) and, for the same reasons, financial institutions should not be able to discriminate based solely on a lawful type of business. When a company has that kind of power, certain restrictions need to exist.
 
I was going to sign-up with Intuit when I return to work next week. I guess I have to look at the other options now.
It's hard enough to run a business these days with affing more stupid crap to it.
 
Weird. I just got an email from them. Never did before that I know of. Maybe they dropped some customers and wish to pick up some more.
 
This is getting crazy.

I'm not normally an "activist" type, and I've been using TurboTax for years. However, in light of so many businesses dropping perfectly legal firearms businesses, I can say I don't feel I can sit idly by and watch any longer. I'll try the TaxAct linked here (thanks) - just in time for my W-2s. :)

Is this just perceived pressure these companies are feeling, or is the pressure more tangible (like part of Obama's "working with businesses to make change")? Maybe someone has some inside knowledge.

At any rate, I'll try and do what I can. Hopefully, enough action can make enough of a dent to get the message across.
 
There's something called "Restraint of trade", Gossamer. These companies are the gatekeepers to doing business in the modern world. There's a reason why Internet Service Providers aren't allowed to filter traffic or discriminate as long as what you do is legal and not harmful to their network (net neutrality) and, for the same reasons, financial institutions should not be able to discriminate based solely on a lawful type of business. When a company has that kind of power, certain restrictions need to exist.
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Intuit is NOT the only place to get your taxes done =- no restraint of trade

And yes, ISPs DO censor sites all the time - child porn is one example, and now guns will be the next
 
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There's something called "Restraint of trade", Gossamer. These companies are the gatekeepers to doing business in the modern world. There's a reason why Internet Service Providers aren't allowed to filter traffic or discriminate as long as what you do is legal and not harmful to their network (net neutrality) and, for the same reasons, financial institutions should not be able to discriminate based solely on a lawful type of business. When a company has that kind of power, certain restrictions need to exist.
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And yet hundreds of businesses and individuals manage to conduct business without accepting credit cards in gunbroker every day.

Not restraint of trade.

I didn't require a cc processor to do business for the previous 19 years, I guess 2011 wasn't the modern era?

Not restraint if trade.

ISPs are absolutely allowed to filter and even stop traffic even if its legal.

Not restraint of trade.

Currently Im the only person in America who knows how to do a high-exposure but minor job in the grad scheme for a Fortune 500 company. If I decide not to take their business because they are a very slow pay, I should be sued or branded a criminal because I'm a gate keeper?

Now, THAT would be restraint of trade.
 
They just lost me as a customer as well and I've been using them for a VERY long time. I just sent the note below to their CCO.

Rob Lanesey
[email protected]
Chief Communications Officer
650-944-3230 office
650-450-0028 cell


Mr. Lanesey,

I have been a Turbo Tax customer since the early 1990’s and I subscribe to the automatic annual renewal feature provided by your company through your website.

I recently learned that you cancelled the account of a business that is in the firearms industry because of some policy against firearms related transactions. (reference linked thread below)

As a veteran of six years in the United States Navy, I do not support Companies who refuse to support legitimate businesses in the firearms industry. I will be cancelling my automated annual renewal and taking my business elsewhere after this tax season. You are playing politics with the United States Constitution and that is unacceptable. My suggestion is that you reconsider this poorly thought out policy before you lose an even larger number of formerly loyal customers.
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Not saying it was a wise decision on Intuit's part, but they do not appear to be specifically picking on firearms as there are a WHOLE LOT of things they will not provide card processing for - firearms is way down on a gigantic list....I've higlighted a few of my favorites.

(c) Permitted Use Policy. Merchant agrees that it will not conduct business in furtherance of any of the following businesses or business activities: illegal products or services of any kind; adult oriented products or services including video streaming, audio text; airlines; annual billing / sales; auto performance chips (fuel economy, etc.);[ bail bonds; bankruptcy attorneys; cable box de-scramblers; collection agencies or collection attorneys; credit repair / credit card protection; credit counseling, restoration or repair; dating services; drug paraphernalia; escort services; freight forwarders; gambling, gaming, lottery sales, grab bags, raffles, or sweepstakes; hair growth and or replacement products; import / export; internet “fulfillment houses” (aggregator, multiple merchants with same mid); lifetime guarantee products or lifetime memberships; loan modification or mortgage reduction services; mailing lists and personal information; pharmaceuticals non-face to face (including business to business); occult materials; online auctions; outbound telemarketing; personal enhancement products (teeth whitening, acai berry, etc); precious metal or stamps; pyramid sales; racism, violence, abuse, discrimination, or other immoral activities; rebate, refund or prize-based businesses; securities brokers; sports forecasting or odds making; telephone service, rechargeable, phone cards, VOIP; timeshares or future delivered services; travel, travel clubs, cruise lines; and any of the following business types where payment is made via the internet, mail order, telephone order or other card not present method: coin dealers / sales; firearms, weapons or fireworks; psychic readings; tobacco products or sales. Intuit maintains full discretion in determining whether or not to provide services to a Merchant irrespective of the underlying nature of the goods or services provided by such party.
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firearms, weapons or fireworks
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Your company does not sell anything lised there.

I just sent an email to Mr Lanesey as well. I've used Turbo Tax for over 10 years. Not any more.

I let him know he alienated almost half the population. I asked him if appeasing half the population was worth alienating the other half. I hope his inbox gets stuffed full.
 
Well for my 2 cents I will mention Taxhawk. It works great and is FREE. A State return is $12 and I like them a lot, at least for the last three years. :)
 
I wouldn't be surprised if many of the companies that are discontinuing business with the firearms industry were offered some kind of incentives by the powers that be.

I wouldn't put it past the current administration to have used all sorts of methods. anything from "tax incentives" to "threat of detailed audits"
 
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