Chris kyle shot dead

***, this is getting rediculous. Prayers go out

I was devastated to hear of this news this morning. I had heard of Chris Kyle due to his record as a sniper but got to really see the humanity of the guy when he was on the reality show Stars Earn Stripes. He seemed to be a very confident yet likable and down to earth guy and seemingly humble and caring person, as evidenced by his work and concern for fellow soldiers and their well-being.

While some may disagree with his choice to be on television, I relish the fact that I had the opportunity to see the personality and humanity of Mr. Kyle as well as some other very accomplished heroes as they worked with inexperienced celebrities on this show for charity.

As I understand it, Chris Kyle and another concerned buddy were helping a guy, apparently suffering from PTSD, by taking him to the range where he gunned them down. Kyle was in the process of setting up a benefit shooting competition to take place in March or something. I think these two stories may have become mixed to give some the impression that this shooting actually occurred at a charity shooting competition.

I am deeply saddened by this loss and grieve for his wife and two children.

I think what RCModel stated was just a detached observation. No malice intended. I have wondered if the same might happen to me at times. Kind of like the end of the "Shootist". Carry a gun all your life, and the spritual or Kharma odds might catch up with you even after you retire.

I wonder how the Media and Obama and Biden will slant this horrific Murder to their pathetic Agenda? if they surround themselves with Children nothing is off limits..

Yes this is sad, prayers for the.survivors, etc. What rcmodel said I totally understand and don't see.any offence. It is just as sad when a veteran or civilian gets killed in an auto wreck. Just less spew on the television and internet about it. Last trip to the local indoor range where I only went due to only place.and time I could schedule a class with a particular student. It was hot in the range. When we exited where they have a little lounge I unbuttoned my overalls and slipped out of a threat level 3a vest with level 4 trauma plates. Since I am 157 pounds nobody noticed till I actively removed it. Most patrons were surprised and asked why the vest. I replied bluntly that I don't know none of y'all, don't trust y'all with my life and from what I just saw in there most of you need to either learn to shoot, learn range safety or sell your.guns because half of you are accidents waiting to happen. They employee working.behind the counter broke up laughing. A good many of the patrons were upset at my comments.

SharpsDressedMan said:

I think what RCModel stated was just a detached observation. No malice intended. I have wondered if the same might happen to me at times. Kind of like the end of the "Shootist". Carry a gun all your life, and the spritual or Kharma odds might catch up with you even after you retire.

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Malice intended or no maybe RCModel should go form a club with Jessie Ventura.

This whole idea that Kyle somehow 'had it coming' for killing in the service of his country, for continuing to shoot and opening up a training school, for having the audacity to write about his experiences and helping Servicemen and women who might be having trouble adjusting to civilian life is ridiculous to the point of stupidity.

Whatever, continuing this conversation is pointless and if it isn't a good example of Schadenfreude I don't know what is.

Hopefully the wives and children of both men adjust to life without a father and husband and hopefully the murderer gets what's coming to him.

Hahahah! Ain't that the truth and the truth hurts Hueyville.

The looks on their faces would have been priceless.

i just got his book. its sad to hear hes dead. i cant imagine why the murderer wanted to kill him.

I know of several people who suddenly died. They each had someone out to get them.

It made me wonder, did they really die, or did they change their identity to start a new life? I'm sure it's no fun going around looking over your shoulder everywhere you go.

Not saying this didn't happen, my prayers go to his family and friends. Just something to ponder. We will never know.

Why I don't go to public ranges any more...........swept way too may times.

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This obviously wasn't an issue with being swept by a gun at a public range. This was a double murder at a high dollar resort range called Rough Creek Lodge and Resort. Check out the prices...
http://www.roughcreek.com/shooting-sports/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...hor-chris-kyle-fatally-shot-article-1.1254181

What the devil has the price of the resort have to do with anything?

rcmodel said:

.......But he hadn't written a book, or continued to try to "Live the Life" in BDU's and Original Instructor Belts, and make a living off of it after his discharge either.......Army snipers I served with and built rifles for didn't come home from Vietnam and try to make a living off of it by writing books and going on TV shows like they are doing now.

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Sounds like resentment for the path he chose after getting out. Nothing new here, others have written books and a few autobiographical movies. Sgt. Alvin York, Audey Murphy, Carlos Hathcock, Jesse Ventura, John McCain, Scott Grady and lots of retired Generals. Ulysses S. Grant, Omar Bradley, Eisenhower, Swartzkopf, Powell, Petraus, Franks, and many more.

Ms_Dragon said:

What the devil has the price of the resort have to do with anything?

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I think the comment was in reference that this was not an accident, but a intentional double homicide.

I think the comment was in reference that this was not an accident, but a intentional double homicide.

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Actually it has everything to do with the comment about public ranges. Public ranges are often known for being less well run, in part from being less well funded and are often inexpensive places for people to shoot and we see lots of complaints about all the yahoos showing up.

Rough Creek is a high dollar facility, at least by comparison to the majority of Texas ranges. It isn't going to be a typical public range where you all sorts of yahoos banging away in a less than fully controlled/muzzle disciplined manner and the type of situation that a lot of us don't like about public ranges. The numbers of folks present are going to be typically lower as a higher dollar resort facility...which is apparently the very specific case as noted here where Chris Kyle, Chad Littlefield, and the shooter (goblin, bad guy, or whatever you want to call him) were apparently the only people on the range and as a result not noticed as in trouble until after being found shot to death.

This person was as capable of stopping a crazed killer any place, anywhere as anybody here. As sad as I am to say this, this man was killed by a person he trusted. This could have happened to anybody, anywhere. Whether it happened in a luxury golf club or in the middle of nowhere in the desert, it doesn't matter. If some crazed killer you trust pulls a gun on you and shoots you while you are not looking, you are as good as finished, usually.

There is a reason why serial killers are very effective at what they do. They are generally people you trust and who seem like reputable and respected people. These people thrive off of this image to find their victims when they are most vulnerable to attack.

Sadly, Chris Kyle put his trust in the wrong person. Anybody you go shooting with, is someone you trust your life with.

This is sad, but I think all the hypotheses and theories of why this happened is useless. It's time to face the music of life.

I really don't even know if there is anything that could be said. Maybe the only advice I can give is spend a month getting to know somebody before you go and turn your back to them, while they are holding a gun. If you are not willing to do that, then you will just have to face there is always a risk. Even I am not willing to do that, as if I meet somebody I think I like, I'd probably just go out and go shooting with him. Done it many times, with people who were still mostly strangers.

If a Navy Seal and hero like Chris Kyle couldn't have stopped this murder, don't expect that you easily could have. Nobody ever expects a friend or a person they trust to murder them.

I have not been able to verify that elsewhere about begging to not let him be let out (but certainly may be plausible), but found this interesting about Kyle, which might support the notion that he had taken Routh to the range to help him.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crim...ed-after-becoming-aggressive-with-jailers.ece

Kyle had his own struggles after returning from Iraq. He found it hard to adjust to civilian life and was depressed. His journey inspired him to help other veterans by taking them on trips to shoot, hunt or relax.

“If these guys are out there sacrificing for me, I feel like it’s my duty to give to them when they come home — no matter what it’ll be,” Kyle told The Dallas Morning News in 2012.

Kyle started Dallas-based security firm Craft International, which hosted training events at the gun range where he was killed. Kyle also helped found FITCO Cares Foundation, which provides home exercise equipment to injured veterans and those struggling with PTSD.

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he had hung up his sword...in 2009.

Maybe I missed it; what was the motive? We should know by now.

No known motive made public yet.

RIP_____ Chris & Chad....... Thank you both for your service and everything that you all had been doing to help your fellow soldiers in need..... Prayers going out to all involved especially the families, wives, and children of Chris and Chad.....

Rip

rcmodel said:

Sad situation.
But, as an old vet myself, this is very Cold for me to say for some of you.
And many of you will not understand it at all.

But Live by the sword, Die by the sword.

It's always been true throughout history.

Sometimes it's just time to hang it up when you retire from killing people for a living and find another line of work before you die by the sword yourself.

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Cold is definitely right, perhaps even inappropriate...but will defend your right to express your view. As I often say on this forum, the BOR does not come with a multiple choice option...

Having said that: he was retired, not active duty. He was shooting targets, not enemy combatants. He likely saved more lives than he took during active duty.

If you're saying that Karma came calling or something of that nature, not sure any of us have the universal knowledge to accurately decipher such things. In my experience we do that to rationalize circumstances we can not possibly understand.

IMHO we should show some respect for a fallen hero, let his loved ones grieve and have a scientific discussion later.

I never had the opportunity to meet the man but was scheduled to meet him at a conference in March and maybe get him to sign my copy of American Sniper. Very sad day indeed for the military community.

cacoltguy, post #62,

I've never heard this put so poignantly, in such words to not leave one wondering what was just said. Truly sad one of the militaries best was cut low in such a sad, sad way.

RIP Chris, Semper Fi

Viet Nam Vet