Where has all the ammo gone ?

mbt2001 and Jenrick have the answer for you guys. A ton of ammo is burned in training. Everyone need to calm down. As a federal department covering the training for a plethora of agencies they are going to have high ammo needs to keep those training programs running. Everyone put away your tin foil hat.

Please note that order is for 100,000 rounds of each caliber-(and 40,000 rounds of the 9mm fmj) someone's math is off, probably due to the wearing of a tin foil hat.

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really?

An approximation of how many rounds of ammunition the DHS has now secured over the last 10 months stands at around 1.625 billion. In March 2012, ATK announced that they had agreed to provide the DHS with a maximum of 450 million bullets over four years, a story that prompted questions about why the feds were buying ammunition in such large quantities. In September last year, the federal agency purchased a further 200 million bullets.

To put that in perspective, during the height of active battle operations in Iraq, US soldiers used 5.5 million rounds of ammunition a month. Extrapolating the figures, the DHS has purchased enough bullets over the last 10 months to wage a full scale war for almost 30 years.

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30 years of war against????? only one group - us pesky conservative "extremists"

The federal agency’s primary concern is now centered around thwarting “homegrown terrorism,” but information produced and used by the DHS to train its personnel routinely equates conservative political ideology with domestic extremism.

A study funded by the Department of Homeland Security that was leaked last year characterizes Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists.

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G21NE said:

Please note that order is for 100,000 rounds of each caliber-(and 40,000 rounds of the 9mm fmj) someone's math is off, probably due to the wearing of a tin foil hat.....

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G21NE is correct. Everybody is mis-reading the bid solicitation. It requests pricing per 1000rds in quantities of 100 115gr 9mm, 100 165gr .40S&W, and 40 124gr 9mm, totaling 240,000 rounds. Go back over the past year and look at the other bid solicitations and they say the same thing. This brings them to a grand total of 1.6 MILLION not BILLION rounds in the last 12 months. Barely enough for one full New York magazine for all 240,000 of their employees. The larger totals included in each line of the bid are simply that...totals.

Scare tactics and sensationalism to bring in viewers and readers, and bring in revenue.

The Teacher said:

G21NE is correct. Everybody is mis-reading the bid solicitation. It requests pricing per 1000rds in quantities of 100 115gr 9mm, 100 165gr .40S&W, and 40 124gr 9mm, totaling 240,000 rounds. Go back over the past year and look at the other bid solicitations and they say the same thing. This brings them to a grand total of 1.6 MILLION not BILLION rounds in the last 12 months. Barely enough for one full New York magazine for all 240,000 of their employees. The larger totals included in each line of the bid are simply that...totals.

Scare tactics and sensationalism to bring in viewers and readers, and bring in revenue.

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Yeah, I was referring to just this order, didn't know about the previous ones. Just takes a little reading....

With the major ammo shortage going on now, people are just jumping to conclusions and panicing. Please don't be like the antis and panic.

Just a little irresponsible of the author of the article....

here's a link to the document, check for yourself: https://marketplace.fedbid.com/fbwe...q5Ajq+RH6QAAAAAHeAAgAgTFCGg/FzzqQbJAAyVXBA0Or

30 years of war against????? only one group - us pesky conservative "extremists"

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Calm down, dude. That's not the case. DHS is not planning a 30 year war against you. They are buying rounds for training programs which is entirely normal. Contrary to what you might think, most federal employees are not jack-booted thugs itching for the chance to start a civil war. They are average Americans also interested in preserving (and typically sworn to protect) the constitution. Everyone needs to take a serious deep breath and chill out a bit.

Securing is not the same thing as buying.

Example from my industry, electronics. I'm working on a project and need to source parts. I request a number of components from a company at my target price. They accept, decline, or make a comeback offer. If they accept, my quote will be good for a specified time frame. It may be as long as two years or even more.

This does not mean I bought the parts. In the meantime, I will secure quotes for the rest of the components I need for the project, as well as quotes for the pcb manufacture. I will not purchase until I have secured everything I need to complete the project. And if my client backs out in the meantime, no sweat. I haven't actually purchased anything. If the project goes through, I still don't necessarily buy all the parts at once. I may have secured a large number of parts in anticipation of future demand for the finished product. If it's a flop, only part of that quote may ever get filled.

Imagine if Apple had to actually purchase a million of every single iPhone component upfront, before even bringing the iPhone to market. No, they get quotes up front so they know what that cost will be if and when, and that they won't get screwed when there's no prearranged price and/or supply, and their whole business depends on certain critical parts. The one company making X could up their price, arbitrarily.

Gone to hoarders everyone.
Oh when will they ever learn? Oh when will they....ever learn.

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Maybe DHS has simply outhoarded the hoarders in anticipation of Obama's second term? Their bid guarantees they get first dibs at the prepanic price. The price of our ammo goes up astronomically, because of the election that everyone saw coming. Added to the fact that the manufacturers have to set aside 450 million rounds a year (or w/e the number is)... just in case DHS decides to buy those rounds.... which further reduces the current supply until the manufacturers build up a big enough reserve of inventory and/or ramp up production sufficiently to ensure the DHS contract can be met if acted upon.

If you think about it, the more overpriced ammo you buy right now, the better the deal DHS has made for itself. You're increasing the value of their options. So if you're all up in arms about DHS "buying" all this ammo, then your best path is to wait it out and shoot less!

Stopped in my LGS yesterday, they had 100 round packs of Remington golden .22, bleh, for $6.99. They also had 124gr 9mm Remington golden sabers on sale, $26.99.

They had gotten in about 1000 rounds of 5.56 which sold out 5 minutes after hitting the counter. They didn't even bother putting it on the shelf. I showed up a couple hours late to get any.

Only 500 round .22 bulk packs they had was match grade for $97.

They did have some 6.5 Jap on the shelf. I might go back and buy a box.

Obama wants a large force not bound by the posse comitatus act. This is not going to end well.

A ton of ammo is burned in training. Everyone need to calm down. As a federal department covering the training for a plethora of agencies they are going to have high ammo needs to keep those training programs running. Everyone put away your tin foil hat.

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Most of the purchase was JHP, which does not sound like training ammo to me

Kansan said:

Most of the purchase was JHP, which does not sound like training ammo to me

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Please go back and look at the actual bid solicitation. Here is the link:

https://marketplace.fedbid.com/fbweb/fbobuyDetails.do?token===wBKxmaVGYR9Kcq5Ajq%2BRH6QAAAAAHeAAgAgTFCGg/FzzqQbJAAyVXBA0Or

It is 240,000 of training ammo. It even says commercial leaded training ammo on the solicitation, and is being shipped to their training facility. Take off the tinfoil!

i think if the government would really be planning on waging a 30yr war against its own citizens.... JHP 9mm rounds will be your least problem .... just think what a few hundred drones in the sky would do....

seriously... let's all put the tinfoil hats away. they purchased TRAINING ammo and divided by the various groups/headcount it's actually not that much....

Most of the purchase was JHP, which does not sound like training ammo to me

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Even if it was the JHP ammo, many agencies like to do extensive training shooting with the ammo they will actually be carrying.

Obama wants a large force not bound by the posse comitatus act. This is not going to end well.

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Give me a break. I don't know why everyone thinks DHS is going to become some personal army to the president that would act without questioning orders. This has all started to get rather ridiculous guys. If we can't be sensible here it really puts us gun owners in a very bad light. It certainly doesn't help our case against current proposed legislation if everyone's ready to declare a revolution over tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories.