.22 rifle boresight problem

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OK, I have my old .22 cal Glenfield Model 25 that my dear old dad bought for me about 40 years ago. I have not fired the rifle for MANY years. Probably 30 years ago. So I got it out, cleaned it up and decided to put a cheap rimfire scope on it.

I usually boresight by pulling the bolt and looking down the barrel and adjusting the scope reticle accordingly, and as many of you know that at least gets you on paper at the range.

Well, this one isn't working. When I look down the bore and try to adjust the reticle, I run out of windage adjustment. I have tried this with two different scopes (a 3-9x32 that I took off of my Remington 597, and the original Glenfield scope that came with the rifle). Both of the scopes were off in the same direction when mounted - up and significantly to the right. The newer scope was mounted using newer rings, the Glenfield was mounted using it's original mount.

So my question is - what could cause this?

I'm thinking the receiver is fine since it is a solid casting and the dovetail doesn't appear to be damaged. Could the barrel be misaligned?

The rifle was in my father's possession for a lot of years, so I don't know what may have happened to it in terms of being dropped or how it was cared for. It looks to be in fantastic condition.

It really is not a huge deal, but it would very cool to shoot my first rifle, now that dad is gone. It's been a loooooong time and there's a lot of great memories tied to that rifle. I suppose if I took it out and shot it using the iron sights, that might help determine where the problem lies.
 
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I personally own two of these for sentimental reasons, as both came from dear old Dad. Tried scopes with both for VERY short periods of time. Had more problems with than without. I remember having to go to extreme limit of scope adjustment on mine every attempt to mount scope with enough room for bolt handle to clear the objective and had to move so far to rear that eye relief was incorrect. Never found scope and mount combo that worked correctly on either and proper eye relief too. Tried at least six or eight rim-fire scopes over the years that I got either by purchase or trade. I have not tried a "real" scope. Just a myriad of 49 to 149 dollar el cheapo scopes 4x rim-fire specific. Seen quite a few pictures of them on internet with scopes. Most seem mounted with very low mounts and at odd distances to allow bolt to clear. Has to be a model(s) scope out of the thousands made over the years that will fit these correctly, I haven't found it yet. One rifle I tried extensively as my brother had actually broken the front site post and lost the elevation adjustment stuff years ago My suggestion is that unless it is due to a specific physical issue with eyes, leave it with the iron sights and enjoy it. I gave up on scoping them and use them for what they are. Nice little little iron site pinking guns. Hope it works out for you. Ended up drilling the one with busted sites and putting aftermarket peep site on it and it shoots well.

If you have kids, they are perfect for teaching as I have learned with pushing over 500 Boy Scouts through their Marksmanship Badge. The kids that personally owned rifles with scopes generally have most trouble getting badge as some never shot a rifle with iron sites which is required to qualify. It was a shame to see kids whose Dads had bought them a rifle with a scope, taught them several bad habits to boot, reinforced those with lots of trigger time, then have so much trouble to qualify for their Badge when kids who had never held a rifle qualified relatively quickly. I have bought quite a few 22 rim-fire rifles from chipmunk size to super large to fit some of these kids that are seven feet tall at age 15.

FYI to ALL!!! The Boy Scouts are hurting for people that can and will teach this merit badge and have the equipment to work with a troop. If you have several iron sighted rim-fires and can spare a brick of ammo occasionally, find a troop to work with so that more kids grow up at least knowing guns don't climb out of a closet and hurt people on their own. Give them fun lesson(s), range time and lots of opportunity to shoot. Make sure to push 99.9% through successfully. If they fail completely, it will scar them forever. I have had kids that took 10 times the effort as the average. Getting these through are the most important. That little Badge will follow them for life and may be the difference between a politically anti-gunner to at least ambivalent.

IMHO it is more important for me and most of us to buy six various sized inexpensive but decent shooting rim-fires rather than that 11th wheel gun, 7th 1911, 4th Glock, 5th deer rifle, or whichever gun you really don't have to have if you have the means and ability to help the Scouts. Keep an eye out for the Federal Auto Match ammo that comes in the 375 round bulk pack. It is quite accurate while inexpensive enough to help the kids get through their task. Don't stack the odds against them with the cheapest import ammo you can find. A task worth doing is worth doing right. Every decade the number of kids in an average size group that have never held a gun increases significantly. And I live in a rural area that has almost as much farm land as city/suburban. I am just on the cusp of where the Atlanta area finally gives up to farm land. 15 minutes south and it is all subdivisions between me and the Big City. 10 minutes north and I am in the middle of cows, horses and corn patches. The north end of our county is hillbilly and the south end is cityfried. 25 years ago most of the kids had been shooting for years by the time they rolled through the program. Now the majority have either never shot, only shot a friends rifle once or have been absolutely ruined by an adult with poor skills. Only 1 out of 10 have ever been hunting anything. Not even tweety birds or squirrels.
 
Why fool around with boresighting a .22 ?? Set up a target at 25 yards and see if it will get on the paper. .22 ammo is cheap. I would return the scope to its original (no clicks off center) condition FIRST.
If you can't get on the paper USE BIGGER PAPER...
 
Rimfire dovetail mounts can sometimes be problematic. Try loosening all the screws on the rings and have someone put tension on the scope in the direction it needs to be tweaked while you retighten the screws.

If the rifle is shooting to the right, the scope will need to be angled to the right which is actually moving the barrel to the left.
 
Why fool around with boresighting a .22 ??

Why not?

I have done this with many of my rifles. It's just a matter for a few minutes of putzing around when I'm bored and it's snowing outside. I'm sure I could just mount the scope and go to the range and figure it out.

Thanks for the input.
 
Cuck in a vise, use something soft in the jaws. Use a long straight edge, yard stick or long level and set it againt the flat edges of the reciever running the free end down the barrel. That should stand out if the barrel isnt true. If that all checks out, try different rings. All else fails, have it drilled and tapped. You also use a dot optic. They have more adjustment range than scopes do.
 
bore sighting a .22 ? lot of people think that bore sight will put you right on target IT'S not, it should be used more as finding imperfections in mountings a double check or a tweaker in the shop.
 
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