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Well stated Rep Waller. Those voting for this bill are gambling the jobs of hundreds of Coloradans on the GUESS that this will improve safety.
 
Great day to be a Coloradoan. NOT. HB1224 will sail through the senate.

Have to hope the Colorado Supreme Court says HELL NO.
 
I have been snowboarding in Colorado a few times. I was thinking about buying a condo on a ski slope in Breckenridge. Now I'll have to look at Utah instead. I don't even want to visit Colorado after this new legislation gets passed.
 
I emailed all of the reps. Feel free to copy and paste or use any parts of my letter:

I am writing to urge you to continue to uphold your oath of office, and protect the 2nd Amendment from more gun control, and protect jobs in Colorado:

" I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

I am sure you are under considerable pressure at this time to pass legislation, in the name of public safety, to prohibit, regulate, or otherwise control firearms and magazines. I understand the point of view of those that support "gun control.” However, gun control is factually the wrong answer. Just like the other attempts to control things, like the war on drugs, it simply doesn’t work. Criminals can get drugs, guns, and many other illegal items. What gun control does do is to punish law abiding citizens and take guns out of our hands, and erode our rights by slowly and deliberately disarming us, one step at a time. This scenario has played over, time and again, worldwide. The rights protected by the Constitution should be held above, and protected from, the temporary whim of public opinion.

And additional gun control such as a magazine ban will drive Magpul and thousands of jobs out of the state, harming the econmony.

A careful examination of statistical data shows that Armed Response, from security professionals, police, or armed citizens, is an effective deterrent and defense against violent criminals. My right and responsibility as an armed citizen makes me an asset to my family, and to the community. Armed Citizens can and do prevent mass shootings from occurring and escalating:

• A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school's vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.



• A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.

• A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.



• A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.

• A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.



• A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.

• A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.



• At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon.

Knee jerk calls for gun control are never the answer. The 2nd Amendment is too important to be whimsically castrated.



I appreciate your time, and hope that you will continue to support and defend the Constitution that you have sworn to uphold.

Thank you for your service,
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If 1224 becomes law, we need to talk to our sheriffs that opposed it about making all of us volunteer reserve deputies. The bill is unenforceable anyway, so let's just gut it completely.
 
Yep. Kind of like watching the so called "Crime Bill" get voted on back on '94. Lots of debate, most of it seemed to point to a bad idea, but the votes just kept coming. Then surreal disbelief that it had passed. Let's hope we can get things corrected before this coming impact becomes permanent harm.

Like the new location CoRoMo.
 
This is pretty bad when a western state like Colorado with open carry passes this sort of bill in the state house.

Laws based on emotion just do not work.
 
Like move to a gun-friendly state, and quite sending your tax dollars to tyrants and morons!
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Because these things aren't even laws yet. Because my whole life is here. Because I would be totally upside-down on the sale of my house. Because moving my business would require starting over with a whole new clientele. And because we're not that far gone yet.

This stuff is REALLY bad news for Colorado, but even if it becomes law, I'm not ready to jump ship until at least a couple more election seasons prove that we're not turning around.

I'm a native, and there are a lot of reasons I love this state. The fact that we have always been firearms friendly was a big bonus. And out here in my rural county, the attitude hasn't changed. Our sheriff was one of those who spoke in opposition, and he has written his own letter in addition to being on board with CSOC.

Even if these things become law, they are virtually unenforceable, and enforcement would fall primarily on sheriffs who do not agree with the law in the first place. These sheriffs are not going to waste resources trying to prove that a magazine was bought after the effective date unless the person is arrested for some other reason and it's all they can get on him (or her). So, at most, these laws would amount to pile-on charges. I suspect that even if it becomes law, cases of prosecution will be very scarce. To my knowledge, even Denver hasn't prosecuted anyone on a violation of their mag capacity restriction alone. And that's Denver, not a rural county with a pro-gun sheriff and DA.
 
The opprortunists have listened to no one on this stuff...facts are moot.
The capitol critters had their minds set ahead of all our efforts. Sad, but courts look like the only resort!
Dan
 
If this bill is signed into law, would magazines not presently in the state but manufactured before the data of enactment be legal to bring into Colorado?

EDIT: After reading the text of the bill, it looks like it would be legal to bring them into the state if you already owned them prior to enactment, unless the amendments today say something different. I suppose that means it would be illegal for someone relocating to Colorado to bring in magazines that they purchased after enactment, even though it was legal to do so when they purchased them. Unless all magazine manufacturers across the country start putting dates on them for some reason, talk about completely unenforceable.
 
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As long as your mags don't have date codes or if they do, pre-date the ban, then you'd have to be seriously on the wrong side of a LEO to get prosecuted for the mag ban... and that's the problem.
 
I was there this morning. I had to leave when they broke for lunch. I saw the vote on the amendment. The Democrats have their minds set and no argument will change their minds. They are dead set on this. I hope alot of them draw unemployment after the next election. I was dissapointed plus I got a parking ticket for my troubles.
Semper Fi
 
OH FFS...

I just received this response from Democrat Cherylin Peniston to my question about how Colorado LEO's were going to enforce this Mag Ban when I own magazines with no serial number or mfg date on them:

Michael, the bill requires that all new magazines have a serial number starting from the date that the bill becomes law. Law enforcement will know which serial numbers are pre-bill and which are post bill. Any magazines that have no serial numbers will be pre-bill.
Hope that helps, Cherylin


My reply which I'm sure she will ignore:

Actually that makes it even more confusing....

Are you seriously saying that Colorado is going to require that manufacturers in other states include serial numbers on 15+ round magazines that they can't sell in Colorado to begin with?

I think you all need to Check Your Premises.
 
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This is why it will be completely unenforceable. Unless you're dumb enough to have the receipt showing post-ban purchase along with the mag, there will be no way to prove that you violated the law.

Basically, the ONLY thing this will do is prevent shipping into the state 16+ round magazines after the effective date. So instead of clicking a few buttons and waiting for the package to show up, someone who wants standard capacity G17 or AR mags will have to get in their car and drive across our border to ANY of the neighboring states. Colorado cannot enforce this law out of the state, so I seriously doubt sellers in neighboring states will have a problem selling to CO residents (who checks ID for mags anyway?). This, of course, is assuming they can't find one for sale here, which they most likely will.

Same thing goes for the UBCs. How do you prove that a background check wasn't done? There is no requirement for the seller to document which FFL performed a transfer, and there is no way to prove the transfer happened post-effective date, unless it is a firearm that was distributed after that date. Even then, LEO's in the field don't have access to that information, so they'd have to go through a complete trace process from origin to disposition. Methinks ATF is unlikely to perform such traces anyway, and detaining a person or wrongfully seizing their property when the trace came back to show that no unlawful transfer happened will quickly bankrupt the agencies with lawsuits. As such, I think it's highly unlikely that the LEO/LEA is going to even try.

So, once again, both of these bills, if signed into law, will be completely unenforceable without registration. Is registration a possibility in the future? Maybe, but they're going to be lambasted for hypocrisy if they go for it. ALL of these grabbers have made a point of "this is not gun registration". I may be wrong, but I think quite a few of the Democrats will be turncoats when it comes to registration.
 
What is the penalty for having a mag over 15 rounds if this stupid bill becomes law?
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Well, they're grandfathering pre-ban, so IF they could prove that the mag was acquired post ban, it's a class II misdemeanor. But again, unless it's a date stamped mag or you foolishly keep the receipt of purchase, there is no way to prove you violated the law.
 
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