Illinois Challenges Concealed Carry Decision

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Local coverage of the debate:
http://www.wjbdradio.com/LocalNews/...ly-Debated-in-the-Illinois-House#.US9oeFdK2Ws
Concealed Carry Legislation Hotly Debated in the Illinois House

The Illinois House completed seven hours of debate Tuesday night on the contentious issue of public gun possession by adopting a comprehensive plan long pushed by advocates.

The 67-48 vote in favor of Rep. Brandon Phelps's amendment doesn't mean concealed-carry got House approval. The Harrisburg Democrat's plan was one of a dozen amendments added to a bill allowing for the carrying of a concealed gun a federal court says Illinois must adopt by June.

State Representative John Cavaletto was among the nearly 50 sponsors from both parties. He quoted Thomas Jefferson on the right to bear arms. "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assailed and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides. For an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an unarmed man," said Cavaletto.

The measure was attached as amendment 27 and incorporates all of the other amendments that were approved on Tuesday. While it was approved, it now contains a lot of conflicting amendments along with nine hostile amendments that were added. The negotiations will now continue.

Cavaletto noted many Republican representatives and even downstate Democrats felt that with all of the amendments gun owners would be lucky to be able carry weapons in their own back yard.
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Cavaletto is my local representative. I had some problems with him when he ran for office based on his performance as the high school superintendent, but he is a solid 2A supporter.
 
All the important people are assembling.. Todd from NRA was just chatting up the ISP... this is going to be interesting.

Also, the committee hearing I linked to is specifically to debate an Assault Weapons Ban in Illinois. Forgot to specify WHAT it was for.
 
Illinois state police, talking about Quinn's Amendatory Veto, in support of Governor Quinn, the ISP is specifically seeking to prohibit the sale of firearms designed to emulate military style weapons.
 
Just watched most of the committee debate and 1/2 those people on the committee have shown they just want control.
 
Sacia is awesome.

As a member of the Judiciary board, today, after the Illinois State Police told him there is no reason to own "Assault Weapons", he responded to them (paraphrasing)...

"You seem to be forgetting something here, Lieutenant. The Second Amendment isn't there to protect hunting, sporting, or target shooting. The Second Amendment was put in place by our founding fathers to protect us against tyrannical governments - against US."

He really laid in hard to the Illinois State Police today.
 
Oh that SO just hit my Facebook wall 10 seconds ago.

"If anyone is curious for a recap on what went on in Springfield this week, with gun control and concealed carry:"

Most excellent, sir.
 
From the Patriot Post -

The Second Amendment Foundation reports that "the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals let stand a December ruling by a three-judge panel of the court that forces Illinois to adopt a concealed carry law, thus affirming that the right to bear arms exists outside the home." In December, Judge Richard Posner gave the Illinois legislature 180 days to "craft a new gun law that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public safety and the Second Amendment ... on the carrying of guns in public."

Unfortunately, Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan showed his contempt for constitutional Liberty by crafting and introducing a repugnant concealed carry bill. In Madigan's world, before obtaining a permit, gun owners would have to purchase $1 million in liability insurance coverage, undergo 40 hours of police-conducted training including 20 hours of range time (just imagine the cost of ammunition), and submit to a mandatory psychological evaluation.
Also unfortunately, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last Friday that the Second Amendment does not guarantee the right to carry arms. Gray Peterson, a Washington state resident who holds a concealed carry permit as well as a Florida non-resident one, brought the case. He sued because he frequently travels to Denver, and Colorado doesn't recognize either of his permits -- though it does honor permits from states that reciprocate -- and it doesn't issue non-resident permits. The Court ruled against him, saying, in effect, because there is a long history of infringing the Second Amendment, it really doesn't mean what it says.
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No action was taken on CCW legislation yesterday or today, house stands adjourned until next week.

They managed to have time to expanding the license plate act to include St. Louis Blues license plates, and today passed a vote on banning cell phone use while driving (hands free only). Today's business did not address the pension crisis or firearms legislation though.

House reconvenes next week.
 
Patriot Post said:
Also unfortunately, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last Friday that the Second Amendment does not guarantee the right to carry arms.
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This is incorrect. The CA10 panel ruled that there was no right to carry concealed. Big difference.
 
I think this is something that is not completely under Madigan's control. A lot depends on whether he decides to ask SCOTUS to grant cert, and if so, if cert is granted.

Until that issue is resolved most of this is pretty meaningless other than as political posturing, on both sides.

The political realities in the state probably mean he cannot force a restrictive LTC bill down our throats, but he probably can prevent any LTC bill from being enacted if he so chooses.
 
ilbob said:
I think this is something that is not completely under Madigan's control. A lot depends on whether she decides to ask SCOTUS to grant cert, and if so, if cert is granted.
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Make sure you don't confuse LISA Madigan with MIKE Madigan. Lisa Madigan is the Illinois AG. Mike Madigan is speaker of the house.
 
Trent said:
Make sure you don't confuse LISA Madigan with MIKE Madigan. Lisa Madigan is the Illinois AG. Mike Madigan is speaker of the house.
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No. Mike Madigan runs things. Lisa will do as she is told just like the rest of the Chicago political mob.
 
Mike Madigan is speaker of the house. Lisa Madigan is his daughter and the attorney general. BOTH are hard core chicago leftists who dispise guns.
 
I don't think they despise guns(They don't go anywhere without armed security). I bet they could not care any less. What they despise and fear, is not being in control of the population.
They prefer subjects, not constituents.
 
I believe in bipartisan compromise. Those who voted for Obama should have their guns taken away; those who did not should be left alone.
 
No arguments about either of the Madigans.

I was just pointing out it's Lisa that has to submit Cert. :)
 
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