GP100 back from Ruger...

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SullyVols

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Annnnnnd now .357 rounds aren't seating all the way up in the cylinder.

Gunsmith thought maybe cylinder was too far back, range officer thought I had bad ammo or a high spot in the firing-pin area, but I noticed when I was back home that the rounds aren't flush and are couple thousands away from the back of the cylinder/extractor star.

.38 rounds sit flush and my 'bad' range ammo sat flush in my 686 and 19. At the range I muscled some .357 rounds (really had to pull the hammer) - they all fired and the gun was on the money.

Ruger had replaced the cylinder after my last bought of problems.

Gun has maybe 300 rounds through it - brand new when I bought it - it was manufactured this last January.

If there are revolver gods they are not pleased with me.
 
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Yes I'm using spent brass but just gonna have to trust me that I'm getting the same results with my defense ammo.

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*** Middle round is a .38 case - Outside are .357 ***
 
Have you given it a thorough cleaning since receiving it? I only ask because I am a bit confused as to the order of events and am unable to determine if you had actually fired the .38s out of the GP100, which could lead to fouling buildup that makes seating .357 magnum properly more and more difficult the more .38 you shoot.

Also, the picture makes it seem as if only the two side pieces of brass are backed out a bit, with the one in the center seems to be sat flush. Is this that actual case or just a photo anomaly?

I apologize if this has all been covered by you and I'm just preaching to the choir.
 
I'm betting on carbon rings that never got cleaned out all the way. If it were because of a .38 cyl. they would be sticking out more than that.
 
I was really hoping on carbon build up but after some overnight soaking it was not the case. It was a brand new cylinder anyway. I dont have tools to verify but my assumption is that the chamber was not machined correctly. I have never shot a .38 special only revolver but my understanding is that the shells would be sticking and much further.

And yes the middle shell is flush - its a .38 shell.

*Timeline - 3 weeks ago - Buy gun
2 weeks ago - When shooting gun the trigger locks up in DA - send back to Ruger
Earlier this week - Ruger replaces cylinder assembly and re-times gun
Yesterday - I recieve gun - I take it to range - cylinder wont close without extreme force - gunsmith marvels at my misfortune.

I've already submitted an online request - theyll put a new cylinder on again im sure - they probably need to check their cnc machine though.
 
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I notice from the picture that these are after fired. Are the live cartridges not setting flush against the extractor?
With an empty full length sized case ,".357", will it fit flush against the extractor?

If it was a 38 cylinder the bullet would stick out of the end of the cylinder, and there would be a noticeably gap between forcing cone and cylinder. Plus cylinder would not close with magnums.
 
I notice from the picture that these are after fired. Are the live cartridges not setting flush against the extractor?
With an empty full length sized case ,".357", will it fit flush against the extractor?

If it was a 38 cylinder the bullet would stick out of the end of the cylinder, and there would be a noticeably gap between forcing cone and cylinder. Plus cylinder would not close with magnums.
*The shells that I fired from this gun will sit flush because I forced them in.

The shells in the photo (outside are .357 shells fired from my 686 at an earlier date and inside is a .38 special) don't sit flush and neither do my 158 Hornady JHPs. My .38 Special PDX JHPs sit flush like the spent .38 brass does in the photo.

First thing I did when I got back home (aside from cleaning the chambers out) was drop some rounds into my 686 and model 19. The 'bad' range ammo that was theory #2 while at the range fit into both guns without a problem and the cylinder closed.
 
That's a bummer. I always hope for an easy solution that doesn't require sending one back. Hopefully they have changed there cutting tools.
Seems odd, Usually they test fire after repairs, I'm kinda surprised they didn't catch this before sending it out. At any rate hopefully they make this right and get you back to shooting it. Good luck.
 
Will the gun store take it back? I know most will not, but there are some stores that guarantee what they sell. Virginia Arms in Manassas, Virginia is one example. The trick is finding those stores and giving them your business. I do pay $10-25 more per gun, but the guarantee is worth it. I have returned guns twice in the past.
 
Will the gun store take it back? I know most will not, but there are some stores that guarantee what they sell. Virginia Arms in Manassas, Virginia is one example. The trick is finding those stores and giving them your business. I do pay $10-25 more per gun, but the guarantee is worth it. I have returned guns twice in the past.
All sales on firearms are final at the store I bought this at - but I already returned it to Ruger once anyway. The fault lies in Ruger's hands. They technically fixed my last problem and created a new one.

But it only takes two weeks tops to send it to them and get it back so It's not a big deal sending it to them - it's a big deal that I sent it to them and they have now twice put out a revolver that didn't function correctly.

It's all warranty work anyway.
 
Well that's a darned shame really, Ruger is usually reputed for being very good quality right out of the box and on the ball with repair/customer service.

Here's hoping 3rd time's a charm!
 
Well that stinks.

I recently purchased a brand new LCR with some weird anomalies. Sent it back to Ruger. They replied a couple weeks later saying my gun was not fixable, and that they would send me a new one. Brand new with 3 different defects?:confused: This is not the Ruger I am used to.

The whole process has been kind of a headache (getting through on the phone). Almost a month now and still no LCR. I think they're a little to busy for their britches. A good thing... I guess?... unless you're the one waiting on their success.

My Taurus CS experience was better in some ways. Contacting them was much easier, and they sent someone to my door to pick up my gun. But... I'll take "waiting a little longer" and Ruger sending me a new gun anyday over Taurus sending me the same gun back not fixed.

To error is human, and I think Ruger will make it right. Just might take longer than usual with how busy they are.

You can thank our current administration for that. ;)

Grace and Peace

Skidder.
 
Time for Ruger to send you another tag for UPS pickup. Tell them you have sent it in once before and you'd rather have a Redhawk Alaskan in .454.
 
Oh man, this sounds so awfully familiar.

I feel for ya, SullyVols.

I went through a very similar yo-yo GP100 that they eventually just refunded. They sure don't make em like they used to!

Good luck!
 
SullyVols

Sorry to hear about your problems, especially more so in that A) it was a new gun, and B) you have already shipped it back to them once and now there is another problem with it. I admire your patience and tolerance in this matter.

Several years ago a friend of mine bought a used stainless Vaquero in .44 Magnum. A short time later he noticed that the front sight was slighty canted to the right. He contacted Ruger and they had him return it. Problem was the barrel was improperly fitted at the factory and had to be replaced. Took quite some time (they no longer made that barrel and so had to custom make one for it), and then they polished all of the metal so the new barrel finish would match the rest of the gun. The gun shouldn't have left the factory with that defect but they did make it right, and even went a bit further with the additional polishing. Hope everything works out okay for you and your GP100 this time around.
 
Hopefully they will get it right this time. I sent a 22/45 back to Ruger last week and they told me it would be about a two week turn around since they are busy. I have several of these pistols and this particular one from 2005 was taken out to shoot for the first time and did nothing but jam about every 2-3 rounds. Called Ruger, waited about 10 mins to get through and while on the phone, they emailed a UPS label to return it so now it's wait and see time but I'm sure they'll make it right.
 
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