This Will Make Your Blood Boil!

I also need to add, that I'm glad he knew his rights, because we all know these people were wrong.
Had he let them in, this probably would've turned into an even uglier story.

Facebook post of son with gun in NJ--raid

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarne...ided-over-facebook-photo-of-childs-rifle.html

Facebook Post of son with .22 rifle gets child services then cops called to enter and inspect the home.

I found this particularly disturbing.

Way more disturbing the family services moron demanding he open the gun safe. But "it's for the children" so who cares about that whole bill of rights.

Even though your son appears to be a Lefty,
I have great confidence that he will grow up knowing right from wrong

There he is, eleven years old, firing a 5.56mm SA vz-58 on the range, real Modern Sporting Rifle, real ammo, real targets, real safety, and he really had a blast, pun intended.

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BBQJOE said:

... I personally don't think I'd be blasting the internet with a picture of my kid holding and/or shooting an evil black gun. It just doesn't seem like a brilliant idea, unless you're looking to catch some flak, and get your kid on some not allowed to go to school list.

Yeah it's not right, but the facts, and the reactions right now speak for themselves.

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The more you try to hide something, the more certain people will think you "know it's wrong". The more that people see something, the more normal it becomes.

I say, we need to post more pictures of people (men, women, and kids) being responsible with guns. Society needs to see that this behavior is normal and safe, not something unusual and dangerous.

For pete's sake, I got my hunter education certificate in high school. The whole class went to the range to show competency with 22's and shotguns before we passed. And, at the tender age of 13, I regularly went camping in the wilderness without adults, hunting rabbits and grouse with a 22 rifle.

People today should be embarrassed to think that children can't be responsible. Just because they are bad parents doesn't mean that everybody else is, too. I think they call that "projecting".

I guess they haven't been to Somalia.. every 11 year old over there totes an AK.

ngnrd said:

The more you try to hide something, the more certain people will think you "know it's wrong". The more that people see something, the more normal it becomes.

I say, we need to post more pictures of people (men, women, and kids) being responsible with guns. Society needs to see that this behavior is normal and safe, not something unusual and dangerous.

For pete's sake, I got my hunter education certificate in high school. The whole class went to the range to show competency with 22's and shotguns before we passed. And, at the tender age of 13, I regularly went camping in the wilderness without adults, hunting rabbits and grouse with a 22 rifle.

People today should be embarrassed to think that children can't be responsible. Just because they are bad parents doesn't mean that everybody else is, too. I think they call that "projecting".

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Everything you say is true.

I just believe there are areas where we need to stand up and be strong, and some areas where it's best to keep a low profile, for right now.
If someone had posted pics of his kid with a look-a-like "assault" rifle the day after the recent shooting, he would have been lambasted off the planet no matter how innocent or responsible the kid may be.
As much as one might think it is showing the world that kids handle guns all the time safely, to others it is showing them how kids are routinely able to handle and have some sort of access to guns.
These people who are freaking out over this stuff, are the same people that are causing us problems right now.
To ME, it looks like rubbing salt in the wounds, not applying healing medicine.

We need to apply common sense, where there is none, and tact where we possibly can.
We are treading on dangerously thin ice.

Sorry but my closet isn't big enough to stay in.

The more you try to hide something, the more certain people will think you "know it's wrong". The more that people see something, the more normal it becomes.

I say, we need to post more pictures of people (men, women, and kids) being responsible with guns. Society needs to see that this behavior is normal and safe, not something unusual and dangerous.

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I agree. Whole heartedly. Firearms in general have been stigmatized long enough. That needs to change.

jerkface11 said:

Sorry but my closet isn't big enough to stay in.

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Well then, come out of your closet with firearms blazing. Ram your rifle down the throats of those who threaten to take it away. Post pictures of yourself and your family on facebook, give them your address for pete's sake.
See where that gets us and you.

We need to be strong and vigilant, not facebook stupid.

You can hide in the fear that someone will know find put you own guns if you want. I have nothing to be ashamed of.

You can’t be prosecuted for making an allegation of child abuse –even if it’s false

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That's scary. So anyone can get mad at someone and have their house raided as many times as they want with no consequences?

jerkface11 said:

I have nothing to be ashamed of.

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Me neither.
I just refuse to give the opposition ammo to use against me.

While some of you may not like FB I am posting this to FB with the advice that everyone contact the Social services office and the pd where this occured. Bet they get tired of answering the phone.

The article did state that the father said the police were professional and were only there at the request of DYFS. My biggest problem is with her absolute refusal to show her credentials and the running away when the father tried to take her picture. Why would a government agent act like that???

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I work as a contractor for CPS. The Police going with is standard when requested, but 4? No way.

Also, legally in many states DYFS are not allowed to be photographed or recorded.

That's scary. So anyone can get mad at someone and have their house raided as many times as they want with no consequences?

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It is scary. But you have a child die, and CPS is put on the cross. Every other parent suffers.

The solution many have put forth is to make CPS records public. That way they don't need to make rash decisions to defend themselves from limitless possiblities. You have privacy issues with this, which is the reason it hasn't happened.

Obtw here is the pd
# Address: 303 Harding Hwy, Carneys Point Township, NJ 08069
Phone856) 299-0070
here is the contact info for the dss
NJ Department of Human Services
Capital Place One
222 South Warren Street
P.O. Box 700
Trenton, NJ 08625-0700
609-292-3717
Give them a call Im sure they would love to hear from us.

I meant to post this last night after ColionNoir posted it on his FB page. Definitely killed off a few brain cells when I first read it. This is why it pays to know your rights.

I have an ex wife who works for dss. The whole office thinks that they are above the law. Talking about a nasty divorce. Needless to say I have no affection for the baby grabbers. I'm sure that there is a need for them but feel 80% of the time they cause more problems than they fix.

We probably should keep in mind that we don't know the details of the anonymous complaint. The fact that they rolled with four officers suggests to me that while one interpretation is that the case workers overreacted, another is that someone really piled on the drama in that complaint.

Which does not excuse the refusal to provide name and credentials, however. That strikes me as wildly unprofessional.

The article did state that the father said the police were professional and were only there at the request of DYFS. My biggest problem is with her absolute refusal to show her credentials and the running away when the father tried to take her picture. Why would a government agent act like that???

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I work as a contractor for CPS. The Police going with is standard when requested, but 4? No way.

Also, legally in many states DYFS are not allowed to be photographed or recorded.

That's scary. So anyone can get mad at someone and have their house raided as many times as they want with no consequences?

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It is scary. But you have a child die, and CPS is put on the cross. Every other parent suffers.

The solution many have put forth is to make CPS records public. That way they don't need to make rash decisions to defend themselves from limitless possiblities. You have privacy issues with this, which is the reason it hasn't happened.

BTW, there are statistics showing child deaths are on the rise, while CPS is involved. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20121113arizona-cps-abuse-deaths-watch-rise.html

I have an ex wife who works for dss. The whole office thinks that they are above the law. Talking about a nasty divorce. Needless to say I have no affection for the baby grabbers. I'm sure that there is a need for them but feel 80% of the time they cause more problems than they fix.

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Please see my post above for why this happens. There is a huge problem in the US with the way our Child Welfare system is set up. Don't even get me started on the lack of preventative services leading to increased child removals with this being the only option left to a worker who doesn't want to remove.

Also, they are not all bad people, many are well educated and can tell that guns dont equal safety risk.

I was born and grew up in NJ. At ten years of age my parents bought me my first shotgun. That gun lived in the closet in my room for many years.

Almost all the other boys I grew up with had shotguns and we hunted with our fathers until we were old enough to hunt by ourselves at 14.

Many friendships were strengthened on our days in the field and I remember no accidents.

Of 20 something boys, none were ever arrested and only one committed suicide after coming back from Viet Nam and was dying from the results of Agent Orange.

Maybe we should elect more hunters to represent us!!!!!!!

Please note that the boy is properly holding his rifle so as not to sweep a crowd and that he doesn't have his trigger finger in the trigger guard at the same time.

Unlike Diane Feinstein in one of her famous pictures, holding an "assault weapon" with her finger on the trigger and sweeping the crowd of her supporters standing next to her.




Here's a good one...how well do you suppose things would go over if some of us with grown kids, possibly even serving in the military or well into raising their own families, were to post pictures of them when they were about 10 or so holding guns?

Imagine the bad rep the DYFS would get showing up at your door with the police demanding you show them all your firearms or they'll take away your kids who are in their 30's or 40's, serving as police officers, servicemembers, or what-not?

People could flood the media with DYFS responses by "baiting" them with hundreds of such postings.




The problem is that any DYFS, DSS, or whatever your particular state agency is known by, will absolutely NOT be held to task for such behavior in any official or public way. The ONLY way this would ever happen would be in a law suit won against them...and the law suits they lose tend to be kept very low key...or avoided entirely.

They will NOT admit they were wrong EVER.

From the earliest days of my military service, I was encouraged by immediate superiors in my line of work (who I happen to believe were correct) NEVER to put identifiable photos of myself or any member of my family in the papers or online. Better that way for all kinds of reasons.

A phrase I've never said: "Gosh, I regret not having a Facebook page."

This man did nothing wrong, and the DYFS agent was wrong. Some of them are just as bad as the worthless foster parents I had. I'd rather not, but let me enlighten you on what the Department of Youth and Family Services is like for the children.

Myself and my brothers had bad parents, addicts to be exact. We were taken by the children services board a few times, the last time was permanent. Want to know the worst part? We were abused worse by our "foster parents" than our real parents. We're talking hospital stays gentlemen, numerous ones. Permanent scars. Things were done to us that would be considered war crimes. Sleep deprivation, beatings with belts, branches, 2x4s, put through walls and worse things none of us will even talk about to this day. All the time that these things happened, amazingly, we wanted to go home to our junky parents who were some how less abusive.

Later in our young lives we found homes that had great foster parents but not for many years (we were taken when we were 4 and younger). I even put a few ex-foster parents in prison by testifying when I was in my teens. Funny thing, the guy who seemed so huge when I was 8 to 10 years old was scared of me because now I was bigger than him.

The man I call my father taught me how to shoot. He always introduced me as his son. He treated me with respect. He is my dad. My first day living with him we went out for a walk so he could talk to me and law down the rules. The next day we went out back(living in the country is so nice) and he started teaching me to shoot. Two weeks later I got a copy of the key to gun safe after he was confident with my mental state, safety, and shooting skills. We have so many pics of us shooting, going hunting, reloading, and handling firearms that now days it would be looked on as bad. I wouldn't be the man I am today if it wasn't for him.

I've done the same with my niece and nephew. This thing about teaching kids to safely handle firearms isn't child abuse or neglect. I know what both of those truly are. I think that it's more like teaching them about respect. That is one lesson that many of the youth of today could stand to learn. The "thought and feeling police" need to butt out. The kids that are taught respect and safety aren't the ones that shoot up schools. It's the kids that have parents that coddle them and submit to these kids every whim and want that do these horrible atrocities.

This guy did nothing wrong. Just as the man I call Dad did nothing wrong. This makes me sick, the person that called DYFS should be ashamed. I'm sure that some other child in a real abusive or neglectful situation needs help. Screwing with these people is just easier than going into some roach infested apartment filled with needle junkies. Sorry for the long post guys, this kind of stuff just makes me angry.