Union workers - Guns & Voting

I can't think of of a "workers paradise" that exists that isn't a parisite to capitalism. Certainly can't think of one that honors individual rights.

Make no mistake,just because you are a union member does not mean you don't support the 2nd amendment and gun owners rights,key word here being rights. You have a right to be union as much as you have 2nd amendment rights. Be careful of those who would strip you of your union rights,they are no better than the gun controllers,only a different agenda with much the same tactics

Be careful of those who would strip you of your union rights,they are no better than the gun controllers,only a different agenda with much the same tactics

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What part of the constitution enumerates the right to unionize?

It absolutely computes.
The anarchist believes the individual is sovereign above all else. The state is a construct that ends up reducing the liberties of all involved. States are founded for various reasons with varying intentions but it always ends up reducing the individual and blunts his/her potential.

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Have you been paying attention for the last half century? The Democrat platform is anathema to liberty. The modern progressive liberal Democrat platform believes in the collective as a the primary, with individuals existing for the benefit of the collective, and being granted certain privileges as a reward for their contribution.

There is a party that leans toward anarchy, with the recognition that there is an important role for limited government. This is the libertarian party, to which I belong.

Non-Union and vote on other issues.

I would never vote for someone that is pro gun-control......but I will certainly vote against someone who is 'pro gun-ownership' and fails in other areas.

MachIVshooter said:

What part of the constitution enumerates the right to unionize?

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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http://constitution.org/billofr_.htm

didnt the unions support and reccomend to the members to support asnd vote for obama, which would be a vote against the 2nd?

Unions are one of the main fundraising arms of the Democrat party. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Billions of "working man's" dollars going to those that want to destroy what the "working man" is supposedly working towards.
Outside of fundraising for the DNC, unions exist to benefit the union. Funny thing, all the pro-union, anti-business people would flip out if they knew how much their union bosses where actually making off them. Union members love nothing bitching about how much those evil, fat-cat capitalist earn while paying their over seers as much (or more) than the evil business owners.
And just for the record, I despise all unions. From trade unions to civil servant unions. They all serve to promote mediocrity and punish hard work. I also view all those "proud union members" as nothing but useful idiots, willingly bankrolling the destruction of our country. And, I wish those "forced" union members would sack up and kick the union out. But, that's just my take on it as a former union member.

The union bigwigs don't bother trying to Influence my local's political views any more. They have in the past, but currently we get more support from the Republicans in Alabama's state house and senate. Figure that one.

X-Rap said:

That may have been true to some extent even more so in the last decade in which the unions have lost much in the private sector but the new union members work for the gov. Termination of teachers, postal and the others that make up the majority of collective bargaining is very hard.

I would also submit that those who garner pay, retirement or entitlement from a gov entity probably have a biased vote that while it may not show up as a majority of members here, would in a poll of the man on the street.

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I was speaking of private sector jobs, specifically the work I do. I don't consider govt employees to be workers.

The union bigwigs don't bother trying to Influence my local's political views any more. They have in the past, but currently we get more support from the Republicans in Alabama's state house and senate. Figure that one.

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No mean feat to figure that out, your vote doesn't matter enough in the grand scheme for the bigwigs to worry about. Your dues are more valuable than your vote. You=1 vote, your dues=5 or more votes.

One of these days, I'm going to write down my stories from my union days. Be a masterpiece of fraud, deception, lies, bribes and crooked politics.

john1911 said it. Now, figure out how public sector unions are not the ultimate conflict of interest and I'll buy you a beverage of your choice.

Public sector unions are very anti 2A, and are funded solely by YOUR tax dollars. Therefore, you have absolutely no choice but to support anti 2A, statist candidates with your hard earned money. Chew on that one for a while if you want to get upset.

HKGuns said:

I have no hate for the Unions or the good people in the Unions. What I truly hate and I think at least "some" of the hard working Union members would agree, is the Socialist nature of the Unions.

But let's not turn this into a Union bashing thread.

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That and the politics involved happened a long while ago, So much for guns and THR, eh folks!!!!!!!!

john1911 said:

Seems a lot of union members want to say the don't vote the "union way". Guess what, you are in a minority (if you're being truthful). For every member that doesn't vote the "union way" there are probably 10+ that do. On top of that, you are buying even more "union way" votes with your dues and PAC contributions.

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That's real High Road. You're basically calling us liars and you don't even know me.

Every syllable in my post is the truth, whether your world view allows you to believe it or not.

There are not enough union members in this country to put the anti-freedom types into office. Union members are outnumbered by at least 8 or 9 to 1 in almost every field. The construction trades at one time were over 80% union, now they are under 25%.

It wasn't union members who voted Obama and his ilk into office, it was everybody else. Deal with it as you look into the mirror.

Enough. This is more about political views than about guns.