Cops are Overwhelmingly AGAINST Gun Control

Status
Not open for further replies.

PRM

Member
Joined
Apr 14, 2008
Messages
2,111
The POTUS can stage events where officers are ordered to appear as props - but the truth tells another side of the story.

According to a Police One Survey, rank and file cops are overwhelmingly AGAINST Gun Control. Good Read.


The One Resource for Police and Law Enforcement

Gun Survey 2013

In March, PoliceOne conducted the most comprehensive survey ever of American law enforcement officers’ opinions on the topic gripping the nation's attention in recent weeks: gun control.

More than 15,000 verified law enforcement professionals took part in the survey, which aimed to bring together the thoughts and opinions of the only professional group devoted to limiting and defeating gun violence as part of their sworn responsibility.
Related Articles:
Are legally-armed citizens the best solution to gun violence?Cops support simple, straightforward solutionsWhy a closed-minded approach won't work
Related Resource:
PoliceOne's 2013 Gun Policy & Law Enforcement Survey Results: Executive Summary

Totaling just shy of 30 questions, the survey allowed officers across the United States to share their perspectives on issues spanning from gun control and gun violence to gun rights.

Top Line Takeaways
Breaking down the results, it's important to note that 70 percent of respondents are field-level law enforcers — those who are face-to-face in the fight against violent crime on a daily basis — not office-bound, non-sworn administrators or perpetually-campaigning elected officials.

1.) Virtually all respondents (95 percent) say that a federal ban on manufacture and sale of ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds would not reduce violent crime.

2.) The majority of respondents — 71 percent — say a federal ban on the manufacture and sale of some semi-automatics would have no effect on reducing violent crime. However, more than 20 percent say any ban would actually have a negative effect on reducing violent crime. Just over 7 percent took the opposite stance, saying they believe a ban would have a moderate to significant effect.

3.) About 85 percent of officers say the passage of the White House’s currently proposed legislation would have a zero or negative effect on their safety, with just over 10 percent saying it would have a moderate or significantly positive effect.

4.) Seventy percent of respondents say they have a favorable or very favorable opinion of some law enforcement leaders’ public statements that they would not enforce more restrictive gun laws in their jurisdictions. Similarly, more than 61 percent said they would refuse to enforce such laws if they themselves were Chief or Sheriff.

5.) More than 28 percent of officers say having more permissive concealed carry policies for civilians would help most in preventing large scale shootings in public, followed by more aggressive institutionalization for mentally ill persons (about 19 percent) and more armed guards/paid security personnel (about 15 percent). See enlarged image

6.) The overwhelming majority (almost 90 percent) of officers believe that casualties would be decreased if armed citizens were present at the onset of an active-shooter incident.

7.) More than 80 percent of respondents support arming school teachers and administrators who willingly volunteer to train with firearms and carry one in the course of the job.

8.) More than four in five respondents (81 percent) say that gun-buyback programs are ineffective in reducing gun violence.

9.) More than half of respondents feel that increased punishment for obviously illegal gun sales could have a positive impact on reducing gun violence.

10.) When asked whether citizens should be required to complete a safety training class before being allowed to buy a gun, about 43 percent of officers say it should not be required. About 42 percent say it should be required for all weapons, with the remainder favoring training classes for certain weapons.

11.) While some officers say gun violence in the United States stems from violent movies and video games (14 percent), early release and short sentencing for violent offenders (14 percent) and poor identification/treatments of mentally-ill individuals (10 percent), the majority (38 percent) blame a decline in parenting and family values.

Bottom Line Conclusions
Quite clearly, the majority of officers polled oppose the theories brought forth by gun-control advocates who claim that proposed restrictions on weapon capabilities and production would reduce crime.

In fact, many officers responding to this survey seem to feel that those controls will negatively affect their ability to fight violent criminals.

Contrary to what the mainstream media and certain politicians would have us believe, police overwhelmingly favor an armed citizenry, would like to see more guns in the hands of responsible people, and are skeptical of any greater restrictions placed on gun purchase, ownership, or accessibility.

The officers patrolling America’s streets have a deeply-vested interest — and perhaps the most relevant interest — in making sure that decisions related to controlling, monitoring, restricting, as well as supporting and/or prohibiting an armed populace are wise and effective. With this survey, their voice has been heard.

About the author
Doug Wyllie is Editor in Chief of PoliceOne, responsible for setting the editorial direction of the website and managing the planned editorial features by our roster of expert writers. In addition to his editorial and managerial responsibilities, Doug has authored more than 600 feature articles and tactical tips on a wide range of topics and trends that affect the law enforcement community. Doug is a member of International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association (ILEETA), and an Associate Member of the California Peace Officers' Association. He is also a member of the Public Safety Writers Association, and is a two-time (2011 and 2012) Western Publishing Association "Maggie Award" Finalist in the category of Best Regularly Featured Digital Edition Column. Even in his "spare" time, he is active in his support for the law enforcement community, contributing his time and talents toward police-related charitable events as well as participating in force-on-force training, search-and-rescue training, and other scenario-based training designed to prepare cops for the fight they face every day on the street.

http://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legisl...-Survey-11-key-findings-on-officers-thoughts/
 
I hope this is true, and I hope rank and file LEO's appreciate that we are good guys, that go through all the hoops, background checks, etc to LEGALLY own and carry firearms.
 
If anyone would know it would be them. I am not an LEO, but I would assume that the last thing they worry about are people who legally obtain firearms.
 
According to a Police One Survey, rank and file cops are overwhelmingly AGAINST Gun Control. Good Read.

Okay, the had 15K responders. According to Wiki, there are over 794K police officers in the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_police_officers

So the survey was of 1.89% of the officers in the US. The question is, is the 1.89% of the officer surveyed by PoliceOne a representative sample of the police population as a whole? Responders would therefore have to know of PoliceOne, be one of their members (hence the verification of being a legit LEO), and have had the free time and inclination to take the nearly 30 question survey.

Having read a lot of the PoliceOne articles over the years, PoliceOne seems to be a very proactive and defense-oriented organization. I would expect their members to respond positively. I am just not sure that they are representative of the police population as a whole or not. In other words, neat study, but I am not sure that their sampling is unbiased.

While the responders do appear to be against gun control, more than half (56.7%) think ordinary citizens should complete a safety class before buying a gun (42.3% for all guns and 14.4% for certain guns). A required safety class is a form of gun control.
 
who cares if police are "for" gun rights. they will not risk their multi million dollar pensions and will lock you up. maybe as you are being fingerprinted you could exchange reloading tips with the cop who arrested you that is "for" gun rights
 
I believe this survey is accurate. However, Something I would like to see is a state by state study broken down into city vs rural departments views. Do one with 3 large cities and 3 rural departments for each state and have the officers list their age and years on the force. Bet you find that the majority of officers who support the bans are young (under 30), from large cities, and have few years on the force. And I also bet those officers come from states with strong infringements of the 2A already imposed.
 
Doesn't matter. Joe Public sees the cops and the precious chi'drun lined up behind Dear Leader and that forms their opinion.:barf:

Our own political animal/Sheriff toes the anti gun party line.:cuss:
 
The POTUS can stage events where officers are ordered to appear as props - but the truth tells another side of the story.

The "truth" is the President does not order the police. The police do not have to perform any duties that are not in their job description (just like any other job). They are not soldiers who must follow orders or go to jail (or even shot).
The survey was conducted on a pro-gun website skews it's results, just as it would if you did the survey here. Few anti-2nd Amendment cops would respond.
The police unions and all national police associations openly support every gun grabbing scheme that comes along. They have for decades.

The Fraternal Order of Police is the world's largest organization of sworn law enforcement officers, with more than 325,000 members in more than 2,100 lodges.

Legislation Supported by the National Fraternal Order of Police


S. 54 (Leahy, D-VT), the "Stop Illegal Trafficking Firearms Act," would revise and expand Federal laws ro combat trafficking in firearms [aka = Universal Background Checks with mandatory registration]

http://www.fop.net/legislative/support.shtml

AR-130409909.jpg&ExactW=620
 
I was just thinking earlier today (while viewing the story unfolding in Texas regarding the "mass-stabbing" incident) that there are few cops alive who would rather deal with 15+ casualties and a still-at-large mass-murderer than less than five casualties and one shot suspect.

When I worked the job, I never had an issue with lawfully-armed civilians, and did have issues with a couple of cops that did.
 
Looking at Ohio and only Ohio where I just happen to be. My wife and I were always very big supporters of law enforcement in general from the FOP to The Ohio Troopers Association. We always donated religiously right till...

When concealed carry was being pushed in Ohio we were well behind most of the country. For years the legislation was pushed and then shot down. Every time this came up it was the FOP, Chief's Association, and Troopers Association who strongly opposed the legislation in TV commercial after TV commercial. It was only the Sheriff's Association who was pro gun and pro our right to CCW. Even when we finally won our rights they complained about of all things their safety. Screw my safety as it was all about them. Like they had something to fear from a law abiding citizen with a carry permit.

Law enforcement has nothing to fear from us and they well know it. While I realize these organizations do not represent the full rank and file they apparently represented the majority. Again, I am only speaking for Ohio because I happen to live here and worked for CCW in Ohio. I will be a real hard sell that law enforcement in Ohio is pro my second amendment rights or my rights to CCW.

They are entitled to their views and opinions and I respect that. However, we stopped the donations as did many pro gun advocates. Still took a few years of calls looking for money before they got the message but I am not about to support those who in any way, shape or manner oppose my rights.

Ohio also recently adopted Castle Doctrine. During that fiasco would anyone like to guess who opposed it? No brainer here.

This Friday my company will host US Senator Sherrod Brown and this Friday I am scheduled to be off work. We were asked to come in for the great photo op. Just like those of Obama surrounded by law enforcement. Oh joy and I very respectfully declined. They can't make anyone do that unless of course they want to. My job is my job and my political beliefs, especially those surrounding gun rights are just that, they are mine!

I have many law enforcement officers who are friends and I respect their rights to voice their beliefs, they have a job I sure as heck would not want. However, overall here in Ohio I apparently do not share the same views they do. Based on what I have witnessed the majority simply do not share my pro gun stance or views.

Just My Take
Ron
 
The survey is an accurate view of how LEO's view the current anti-gun cries. It must be noted that the participants of this survey were just some street cops, who no doubt were "acting stupidly" . I am one of those street cops that the current occupant of the White House says "acting stupidly".. I didn't graduate from Yale or Harvard, just from 22 years of being a street cop and I for one am proud to say I was a street cop. (I recently retired) Yes forum members the survey is accurate... Thank you for posting it PRM. Be safe all.
 
While I am glad that this poll was conducted, and the results released, I know that its doubtful at best it will change any minds. Many elected officials will not pay attention to it, and also the same segment of gun owners who always point fingers at law enforcement as anti, will continue to do so. Just my personal thoughts.

This isn't the first poll I have seen showing this. The SSPBA did one back in the 90's that was similar in results.

Link: http://www.coastalpost.com/97/9/22.htm

Also, the SSPBA has come out against new gun control that restricts the law abiding.

http://www.sspba.org/gen/articles/T...icial_stand_on_gun_control_in_America_323.jsp
 
The "truth" is the President does not order the police. The police do not have to perform any duties that are not in their job description (just like any other job). They are not soldiers who must follow orders or go to jail (or even shot).

Yeah -- because just last week I was reading about a couple servicemembers who got shot because they didn't want to stand behind Obama at a press conference :rolleyes:

And, of course, it's not like there's any official or unofficial sanction that could roll downhill when the anti-gun politician in a police chief's uniform appointed by an anti-gun mayor in a major city says to a lowly patrol officer -- "you've been voluntold to go make nice at the president's dog and pony show."

The Fraternal Order of Police is the world's largest organization of sworn law enforcement officers, with more than 325,000 members in more than 2,100 lodges.

You like to bring these guys up in any discussion of law enforcement and gun control. I've pointed out before that when I was a street cop I was never a member of the FOP or any other organization besides my department's local union (which is not pro gun control). Less than half the LEOs in the nation are members of the FOP, and whether the leadership of that organization speaks for a united front of its members concerning gun control or any other topic is a pretty specious and silly argument.

By your logic, as I've noted before, all voters in Ohio bear a greater burden for any gun control that comes down the pipeline since over half of them that could be bothered to vote opted for the current president in both elections he's run in.
 
Are you saying the President does order the Police, or that they can be legally charged for refusing?

In any job you do what your boss tells you... unless that is not in your job description then you can refuse and file a complaint with your union steward. That's true in any job, not just cops. If you're a carpenter your boss can't make you massage his feet or go to his house and clean his toilets either.
If the police don't know they can't be ordered to appear as TV props it's no wonder they are so easily manipulated into these photo ops and decades of support for gun grabbing. They cannot be ordered to appear in these photo ops.
FOP has 325K members who vote for their leadership. They have supported every gun grab for decades. This is not new.

BTW, what national LEO organizations oppose these gun grabs?
 
Not unless you are Austin Texas's own Police Chief Art Acevedo.
The Liberal Chief of Politics,..ooooops I mean Chief of Police went to Washington to hob nob, meet with wise ol' Joe Biden and sells the rest of us in Texas down the river.
http://www.kvue.com/news/Austin-police-chief-pushes-for--202212311.html
Art if you ever need help, I hope some legally carrying Austinite stops long enough to remind you of what an idiot you are and then precedes on their merry way, because we "civilians" don't need guns!
 
I've had more than one cop encourage me to stay armed. And when there was a small rash of smash window burglaries - one patrol officer said he would not mind apprehending a "down burglar"....just saying.
 
Put yourself in their shoes. You have plenty of enemies that would gladly kill you or your family for revenge. Of course they want their loved ones to defend themselves.
 
Are you saying the President does order the Police, or that they can be legally charged for refusing?

No, POTUS doesnt order the police. Their Chief, or admin do, which, as is part of that position, politics come in to play. Also, I still contend, having been asked if I was "interested" in certain things (political events), that the officers in question, have a choice and made such. Also I doubt most are street level officers.

In any job you do what your boss tells you... unless that is not in your job description then you can refuse and file a complaint with your union steward. That's true in any job, not just cops. If you're a carpenter your boss can't make you massage his feet or go to his house and clean his toilets either.

You mention that its true in any job, not just cops that you can file a complaint with your union steward...Do you think every single officer in the USA is a union member, and in a state that supports such? I call BS knowing I work in a non-union state and that my membership in the sspba amounts to nothing more then prepaid legal. Even outside of LE, in nonunion states, just how do you file a complaint with your union steward and have it recognized by the company or agency your work for? Many here would laugh while they hand you a pink slip.

If the police don't know they can't be ordered to appear as TV props it's no wonder they are so easily manipulated into these photo ops and decades of support for gun grabbing. They cannot be ordered to appear in these photo ops.
FOP has 325K members who vote for their leadership. They have supported every gun grab for decades. This is not new.

BTW, what national LEO organizations oppose these gun grabs?

They know that they can either have a job or not. Most you see are the few that support gun control. I have not yet seen several thousand officers behind POTUS. Those that do not support gun control will probably never be called to one of these events. You keep mentioning FOP too, but ignoring in this topic, and another, that 1 law enforcement association (sspba) has gone against the administration, but you keep lumping everyone together when you say "all". I guess the pro gun ownership sspba doesnt matter to you. Heck, they were pro gun in 1993. I guess that no matter how pro gun an officer is, its never enough for you....
 
Last edited:
Did anyone really think that all that stimulus money that went to the cop shops didn't have big strings attached? There were some strings that said the money had to be repaid if various actions weren't taken in the future. The future is now.
 
you will find that for the most part the only cops against the 2nd amendement are those appointed to their position by liberals or apple polishers wanting to get appointed to those position.
 
Are you saying the President does order the Police, or that they can be legally charged for refusing?
those who want to get special appointments will sacrafice what little principles they had in order to move up the chain.....no "order" needed.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top