Understanding The Ammo Shortage

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I am glad you mentioned the "gougers"

Man, they hurt. But we do have a supply and demand society. What I deem as gougy I can do without.
 
BUYERS set market prices, not gougers, middlemen, manufacturers nor the Tooth Fairy. As soon as people are not willing to pay higher prices, and product sits, the price comes down.
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Amen!

It's quite rare to find someone who understands this!
 
Highland Ranger said:
I don't know . . . . . I have quite a few boxes of 45acp hardball I bought for $4.99 not that long ago . . . . . what are they now $18?

That's done better than any money I invested anywhere else.
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I stand corrected. $4.99/50? How long ago was that?
 
I have not bought any gun related stuff for over 4 mo's and will not buy till the the gougers have to gough themselves:cuss::cuss:
 
We here in this great country have always been used to everything we want being in abundance and logistically convenient so therefore we only stock everything very minimally and for the very short term. This ammo supply scenario is I'm afraid is just the first.
Imagine the chaos if/when the supermarkets will not be able to be stocked for a couple of weeks.
 
from a business standpoint, the manufacturers cant just order new equipment and double their work force every time we all get in freak out mode...what would they do when its over and they find out theyve saturated the market for the next 10 years? not a good way to grow their business long term...theyre not stupid...just wanted to say that:)
 
Pilot said:
BUYERS set market prices, not gougers, middlemen, manufacturers nor the Tooth Fairy. As soon as people are not willing to pay higher prices, and product sits, the price comes down.

I will not pay exorbitant prices for ammo, but I reload and have components, if I didn't I'd just shoot minimally to remain proficient until prices came back down, which they will.
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"Buyers" are not setting the market price at Walmart. Walmart is selling at prices WAY below the intersection of the supply and demand curves (e.g. 9MM for $21.xx/100 is way below market by any measure).

Their below-market pricing continues to justify the hoarders and provides the gunshow resellers with a supply of cheap ammo that they can mark-up 2x-3x or more. Both types camp Walmart at restocking time and call in their family and friends to buy up everything they came, leaving little to nothing for "normal" people. This is just continues to distort the market slows down the return to any sort of normalcy.
 
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Before I would smile whenever someone mentioned firearms as an investment. Now ammunition as well? Get real.
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What meets your criteria?

A poorly managed American Corporation, an aging house, a bond that pays less than inflation, a 0.5% CD at your local bank?

There are loads of investments, most of them don't actually pan out well, that is why investing is a hard way to make a living (otherwise why work?).

Hopefully people are not borrowing money to buy ammo.
 
we are not amused said:
You are both right, but I don't think most of the ammunition now being bought is for consumption anytime soon, it's for "just in case".

It may get interesting when the panic is over. What will the idiots with a ten year supply do with it? Not buy any for ten years, or dump it at gun shows and Craig's list?

Might be some really good deals out there.

I have not bought any ammunition since the New Town Shooting, and have just about shot up all of my expendable supply. When it is gone, I will restrict my shooting only to what I need to stay proficient with my concealed carry and hunting needs. Unless of course, the run on ammunition is over, and I can buy at reasonable prices again.
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so you really think the people with a 10 year supply are idiots?
 
Well I'm not afraid to say I use the shortage to my advantage. I've made a few hundred dollars on ammo sales in the past few months. I own a business that usually gets really busy during tax return season but this year it didn't. I'm making grocery money. It's like any other commodity. You can object and adstain if you like, but the market will still be there and I don't know of any other investments that are making this kind of margin this fast.
 
It may get interesting when the panic is over. What will the idiots with a ten year supply do with it? Not buy any for ten years, or dump it at gun shows and Craig's list?

Might be some really good deals out there.
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Not buy it for 10 years. I used to buy tons of 9mm in the late 90s and early 2000s. I don't even know how many of those 250 round UMC bulk packs of 9mm I have left. Let alone the other stuff. I think I paid $20-$30 back then for them at Outdoor World. I don't think I've bought 9mm in 10+ years, except a bunch of Hydrashoks like 3 or 4 years ago. Since I've sold 3 of my 6 9mms, I imagine it'll last me several more years. Especially since I mainly shoot 40 S&W these days in handguns. I think in a year or so when all the idiots stop panic buying, I'll pick up 10k or so of 9mm FMJ.
 
I don't recall any .45 ACP hardball being available 10 years ago for 10 cents a round. Maybe 30 years ago. Now $14-5 a box, yeah, that was 10 years ago. Based on my stash of reloading components all bought awhile back (before the panic of 2013), it runs me 14-16 cents a round depending on the bullet.
 
I don't recall any .45 ACP hardball being available 10 years ago for 10 cents a round. Maybe 30 years ago. Now $14-5 a box, yeah, that was 10 years ago. Based on my stash of reloading components all bought awhile back (before the panic of 2013), it runs me 14-16 cents a round depending on the bullet.
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Same. I'd often see WWB 9mm for $5 for 50 but .45 was 2-3 times that. Its why so many people have gravitated towards 9mm over the years.
 
So everyone who owns a gas can is to blame for the high price of gas too? If we all had smaller gas tanks would the price of gas come down?
Because I have extra fresh batteries in my drawer I have caused a battery shortage too? I also have a first aid kit, fire extinguisher, food and water.

Did I prepare for emergencies or did I cause shortages?
 
The President said that he and the Democratic leadership were going to make the gun debate, which includes assaullt weapons gun ban, mag bans, and the gun show loophole an issue in the next congressional election in 2014. Judging by the way they are organizing for this , we could have an ammo shortage much longer than any yet. The feeding frenzy will probably get worse if they keep this debate in the limelight for another year and a half. In the past they would lick their wounds and move-on but it remains to be seen. Jusy a thought.
 
In the past they would lick their wounds and move-on but it remains to be seen.
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theyll be way past this by then as long as nobody shoots up a high school or something. we need a good Lewinsky type scandal, or an OJ trial. Ahhh, the good ol days
 
It's mostly panic buying, but DHS 6.8 bil. purchase did put a 6 month dent into the supply.
CCI alone manufactures 4 mil. .22 rounds EVERY DAY!
Even Obama can't buy this up for longer then 6 month.
So with some time, we will see more and more ammo coming back.
 
Excuse the slight thread drift... Those of us old enough to have been around during the Cuban Missile Crisis also remember that store shelves were empty of bread and canned goods. Once the diplomats got things straightened out, things went back to normal.
 
CSG said:
I don't recall any .45 ACP hardball being available 10 years ago for 10 cents a round. Maybe 30 years ago. Now $14-5 a box, yeah, that was 10 years ago. Based on my stash of reloading components all bought awhile back (before the panic of 2013), it runs me 14-16 cents a round depending on the bullet.
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Exactly. I was thinking around the 70's or so for that price.
 
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