"We Need Long Guns!!" - Boston PD

I'd loan them a rifle as soon as they pass the background check.

If a Dept needs ARs for its officers but doesn't have the $$$, they always have the option of getting M-16s through the Feds LESO 1033 program at no cost.


They don't need to be left empty-handed to where they have to come begging to borrow mine.

GCMkc said:

NO. My local PD is armed to the teeth already. I'd lend them my rifle if they gave me cash and could pass a background check.

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Heh-heh. I don't care who you are, that was funny right there!

Hmmm. Deputized sniper. Sounds interesting. I don't know. It certainly appeared they had all the SWAT, boots, choppers and hardware they needed. Perhaps it was the locals who weren't issued select-fire M4s begging for the long guns?

They were looking pretty tired late in the day. That battle rattle stuff looks cool, but it's heavy.

I always like going up to our range after the LEOs have been there. They shoot tons of Lake City 5.56 and don't clean up after themselves. It's a gold mine.

They have abundant firepower, including some things that even I don't think they should have. But if an officer were in a pinch, and needed a firearm or ammunition, I'd loan it to him instantly.

If the events are close enough to me that LEO's are coming to my house to beg a rifle, I'm holding on to mine, I NEED IT more than they do. I'm also leaving the area.

Maybe one of the cheap ones. After all it might not come back if they actually use it and have to hold it for evidence.

Heck the whole reason I got a couple Mosin Nagants was just in case I felt the need to arm the neighbors in a major disaster situation.

sota: Well-put.
However, in a true emergency with innocent lives at stake in My neighborhood, I would tell the officer "Ok, but this is your decision to use it, and bring it back. Do you agree?".
The Golden Rule doesn't apply just to me or my family.

If the day ever comes when law schools have very restrictive admissions quotas similar to medical schools, after a few years maybe we won't be required to First consider the legal implications.

No ... No time to run NICS on them and Im not FFL ....

Yes, I live in a state where they sue everyone for everything all the time.

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^ Are'nt we all in a state like that! ^

We had a hostage situation down the street that ended up being a disgruntled intoxicated ex-boyfriend holding a pistol to my neighbor ladies head in the front yard.
They talked him down, but to my surprise everyone was using a service pistol. Thats limiting yourself a bit in my opinion.

That being said I cannot imagine offering a rifle to some of these guys, it would seem in my neck of the woods they tend to like to "Take" them from Veterans for Rudely Displaying firearms...

Well, if a police shootout is taking place near me I don't think it's a prudent idea to come out towards them with a rifle.

hell no.

like a rifle would have made a manhunt go quicker, gimme a break. they had the NG with Batman's tumbler patrolling the streets.

Also, if their department is too inept to trust their men with carbines then the last thing I'm gonna do is trust them with my much more expensive one.

Sounds like a liability for the cop. Use a rifle you have not qualified on or have sighted in and still be responsible where your rounds go. No thanks.

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cbpagent72 said:

Sounds like a liability for the cop. Use a rifle you have not qualified on or have sighted in and still be responsible where your rounds go. No thanks.

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Sounds to me like the government will make it a liability on you, not on the cop.

Wouldn't surprise me one ounce in a situation like that to see a good guy citizen busted for an illegal transfer, and then the police discover some technicality with the rifle.

So, no thanks.

Having said that, I think it's appalling that in the past 30-40 years we've changed to the point that I honestly believe I could trust Al Capone to play square with me before I would trust the government representatives. It just boggles my mind to think that.

Locality plays a major part in this discussion. I come from a small town of about 9,000. Been there my whole life. I know all the officers on a first name basis. Know their families. If an officer needed my M1A or Model 70, it's his. To me it's no different than lending a friend in need a firearm. In my town they would give you some kind of civil service citation for doing that.

Now would loan an officer in OKC, that I didn't know, one of those rifles. No, I wouldn't. What I would do is offer my assistance as long as I had the full backing of the department.

So location and trust play a major role. It's why I will NEVER, EVER, live in a big city (more than 20,000 people).

But I have to agree that AR's would not have helped them capture the bombers sooner. And I saw a TON of AR's on the news in those 4 days. But almost all the officers carrying those "evil guns" were federal agents.

Never.

I would but since they would need ammo also I would have to charge them $2 a round for my handloads

Locality plays a major part in this discussion. I come from a small town of about 9,000. Been there my whole life. I know all the officers on a first name basis. Know their families. If an officer needed my M1A or Model 70, it's his. To me it's no different than lending a friend in need a firearm. In my town they would give you some kind of civil service citation for doing that.

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Agree with this, while I'm more rural so I know the sheriffs more than my town PD. Town is only 5k thou. Wouldn't hesitate to arm them...

Our 'cops' , the village security are not trained, nor do they carry guns, they are 20 something Eskimo kids hired to check locks, sound the cerfew horn and fire watch the village, sometimes make arrests, but thats not often.

Every house in the village has guns guns guns, and yet no 'gun violence'.

Alcohol is the true Evil among us...fighting, crashing, freezing, drownding, ect...

I guess thats what happens when were all "equal" more or less....too bad our youth seem a generation behind the lower 49 seem to have stopped teaching kids about proper gun use, Citizenship and responsibility to self and country.....seems theres a demand for everything to be provided nowdays...

Gotta agree with Bigbore44. Real familiarity with the LEOs makes all the difference. In the small town where I grew up we knew the cops and their families. Where I live now I wouldn't do it.

If the wife and I were 40 years younger and starting out we wouldn't be within shouting distance of a city.

Jeff

I have a fantastic sheriff where we live in California. The man is pro-second amendment all the way is on record, actively gets interested citizens involved in CCW classes, and has stated openly that he will NOT enforce any gun bans/confiscations by the powers that be in Sacremento and D.C.

I've written to him multiple times and the man is very cordial. In short, we have a awesome head of our LEO community. If I was in a gun fight with him, you're damn right I'd pass him a gun or magazine as needed! Responsible sheepdog civilians should always cover the six of a pro-constitution LEO. These guys can use our help.

Now, on the other hand, if you have a big city political appointee running your district, I say you better hang on to your guns, as they'll be in better hands than by handing it off and wondering if you'll ever get it back. Mayor Nagin and Hurricane Katrina anyone?

Thankfully, our local sheriff is a good man and not an incompetent buffoon like in some jurisdictions.

I try to practice the inverse Golden rule.

Do you think the police would have lent me a rifle if I said I needed it? I think there is your answer.

rcmodel said:

They really need to borrow the Kansas City Police firearms instructors for a while.
When those KC cops shoot, somebody drops and don't get back up and run off!

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LMAO!!! They sure don't! Unfortunately, sometimes it's themselves! At least he was lucky enough not to hit someone else.

You may want to reconsider having them train other people to the KC standard of handling an AR15.

A Kansas City police officer accidentally shot his foot Friday as he prepared to help secure a beauty salon where an armed robber had holed up. The patrol officer was near his vehicle, loading a round in his AR-15 rifle when the rifle discharged. The officer, who is one of the department’s firearm instructors, underwent surgery Saturday and may need additional surgery

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http://www.kansascity.com/2013/04/15/4183485/kc-police-officer-recovering-after.html

If you had loaned them the AR15, the police department would probably be suing you right now for loaning them a 'defective weapon". No way they're gonna admit it was the cop's fault.

Assuming he heals properly and it put back in active duty, you know his squadmates are going to give him hell for shooting his own foot. He'll never live that one down. Hopefully he heals fast.

Then again, the 7% accuracy rate being reported by the Boston PD isn't much to sniff at. I'd still give the Kansas City boys the nod, as long as they remember proper trigger finger/safety switch controls.

Loan a rifle? I don't know. It would be very situation dependant. First it is likely that I would never see that rifle again. So they might as well confiscate it. Secondly, police seldom tell you anything about "why" they ask for anything. They just tell you.