TV shows and anti gun propaganda

Hawaii is not exactly a pro firearm state anyway.

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Kind of ironic, given that one of the best bullseye pistolsmiths in the country, Ed Masaki, lives and works there.

It's like Leo Kotke or Django Rheinhardt living in Taliban occupied territory where music is forbidden...

Sometimes I think I know what a German Jew must have felt sitting through a Joseph Goebbels propaganda film.

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I feel the same way watching "Law & Order" as I do watching "Birth of a Nation".

Same level of bigotry, different despised target classes.

I thought Hawaii five-O was going down that road.

If you mean the original with Jack Lord, you're absolutely right. Lord was a militant anti-gunner.

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I don't remember the exact year but Jack Lord, virulently anti-guns, was caught with a loaded snub nose .38 Special in his baggage at the San Francisco Airport. He was a raving hypocrite just as are so many of the Hollywood people.

As for Law and Order, the Exec. Producer, Rene Balcer, a Canadian, is extremely anti-guns for the worker peasants, and the various anti-gun episodes are deliberately written to push his agenda.

Most of the writers in Hollywood -- and I know a lot of them -- are rabidly anti-guns and use their illogical bias in the scripts they write, whether for teeeveee or movies. Also, many of the anti-guns writers, directors, actors, producers, own guns for their own "defense" but strongly believe the "unwashed worker peasants" should not, and want their guns banned.

A tremendous amount of the biased "inaccuracies" and outright lies are very deliberate. In the main, Hollywood has an agenda. It's anti-guns and anti-Second Amendment.

L.W.

I've been watching "24" on netflix. In the last week I have noticed:
--Any handgun drawn from a holster makes three clicks. Hammer passing half cock, hammer passing full cock, and I've never known what the third one is, but I think they're just using the same sound clip every time. Even glocks go click-click-click when drawn.

--I've heard a hammer cock on a glock. Even when shown from behind the shooter at a camera angle that shows the shooters thumb isn't even going through the motion of cocking the nonexistent hammer.

--Racking actions purely for dramatic effect. I cannot stand this.

--I've seen a glock decocked. Would have missed the sound, but for the closed captioning saying "gun decocks".

--Not sure, didn't bother to rewind, but I think I saw a 1911 decocked to be holstered.

That's one out of many reasons why I cancelled cable/satellite tv years ago.

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--Racking actions purely for dramatic effect. I cannot stand this.

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"Justified" is one of my favorite TV shows but is absolutely terrible about this. No character, bad guy or good guy, ever walks into a bad situation armed with a shotgun and a shotshell already chambered.

Its not only sitcoms. I was watching the Discovery channel the other night. There was a show about "Alaskan Marshalls" I believe it was. At one point, they were discussing the AR-15, and stated "They're quite popular here....one shot will stop a bear in its tracks". Yes....a supposedly "fact-based" show actually advocated the use of an AR-15 as bear protection....because when I have 1200 lbs of PO'd brown bear after me, something shooting highly frangible, 55 grain bullets would be my FIRST choice as a defensive weapon...... Yes, I realize a 450 Bushmaster or 50 beuwolf might make sense in such a scenario, but no qualifiers were given, and the vast majority of AR's are chambered in 5.56

But that was a Marshall saying that, was it not? LEOs all over the country have their beliefs just like many gun owners. The Discover Channel isn't going to fact check every statement and evaluate for % accuracy of the statement per every context.

Yes, an AR15 will stop a bear dead in its tracks. It will in 55 gr. and it will in .50 Beowulf (also an AR15). You can do it with a .22 lr as well. So the statement isn't actually in error, but is positively naïve. Making a perfect shot to stop a bear in its tracks during a crisis is a tough shot to make, but the platform is capable of making that happen.

"Justified" is one of my favorite TV shows but is absolutely terrible about this. No character, bad guy or good guy, ever walks into a bad situation armed with a shotgun and a shotshell already chambered.

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Another Justified fan here. Racking a shotgun slide is often -- wise or not -- promoted as a means of scaring intruders. And not everyone feels comfortable keeping a loaded and racked shotgun at the ready. But certainly, in LE situations, to go into harm's way before any weapon is ready for action is unrealistic. But as TV entertainment goes, Justified is way, way, better than what you'll find on the network channels.

(Did you mean "ever walks into a bad situation armed with a shotgun and a shotshell not already chambered?")

BeerSleeper said:

I've been watching "24" on netflix. In the last week I have noticed:
--Any handgun drawn from a holster makes three clicks. Hammer passing half cock, hammer passing full cock, and I've never known what the third one is, but I think they're just using the same sound clip every time. Even glocks go click-click-click when drawn.

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Gotta make it obvious to the viewer that there's a gun, because simply showing it isn't enough.

Racking a shotgun slide is often -- wise or not -- promoted as a means of scaring intruders. And not everyone feels comfortable keeping a loaded and racked shotgun at the ready. But certainly, in LE situations, to go into harm's way before any weapon is ready for action is unrealistic.

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Isn't that where the term 'cruiser ready' comes from? A shotgun with an empty chamber that's carried in that way on a police cruiser?

My favorite is the scene in XXX state of the union where Ice Cube interacts with the NRA lobbyist "Dick" basically portraying him as stupid and the NRA as racist.

Don't forget that Dick Wolf, who is behind Law and Order, is very anti. I saw one episode where a shopkeeper had a lawfully kept firearm he used to stop a crime, and the shopkeeper was portrayed as a mean and spiteful little man, with the detectives being disgusted by the whole idea of an armed citizen. Almost every other show has something either willfully wrong, or in the background wrong. I haven't seen the shooting range or rubber bullet episode - my wife watches this program religiously, and owns the first 11 seasons on DVD.
I gave up counting the Constitutional violations I see in these shows - many of these fictional detectives would be doing time themselves.
On the OTHER hand, yes, there was a cop show based in NYC that did have a pro gun bent here and there, the excellent NYPD Blue, which ever had one detective running through the Eddie Eagle program as something he taught his son.

Geez. Not one gun I own goes click at all when I lift it, I'm bummed . Saw one made for tv low budget show where a naive women was about to marry a closet psycho. A scene cam up where the psycho took women's son to a field and had him target shooting with an AR. Had the boy looking mean and hostile while closet psycho deceitfully smiled on. That was the last scene before a changed the Chanel and almost vomited.

Interestingly enough, when I was working with NSSF a few years back we discovered that the gun grabbers actually funded a website that would provide your show with an antigun subplot, drafted by professional scriptwriters. They worked on a regular basis with hit shows like ER putting together subplots based on pure lies. The site listed more than a dozen shows they'd provided antigun subplots for. Not sure whether it's still around or not, but for sure our blood enemies spend a lot of time in Hollywood — and it pays off for them.

I'll be in LA next week doing my part to upset their plans. I have a relentlessly politically incorrect gun show I'd like to launch with a Hollywood guy as host.If I can make it happen, I will.

I've started putting together my "crimes list" for the next season of THE BEST DEFENSE...you guys got suggestions for any scenarios you'd like to see us work though???

Michael B

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Another Justified fan here. Racking a shotgun slide is often -- wise or not -- promoted as a means of scaring intruders. And not everyone feels comfortable keeping a loaded and racked shotgun at the ready. But certainly, in LE situations, to go into harm's way before any weapon is ready for action is unrealistic. But as TV entertainment goes, Justified is way, way, better than what you'll find on the network channels.

(Did you mean "ever walks into a bad situation armed with a shotgun and a shotshell not already chambered?")

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Justified is one of the best shows on TV. And yeah, I meant that every time a character uses a pump action shotgun, he/she walks into a hairy situation with the chamber empty and then dramatically pumps the action.

But I give the writers credit in that they recognize Hollywood's gun silliness and sometimes make fun of it. Remember this scene:




with an exchange that went something like -

Dewey Crowe: That pistol ain't no match for this here scattergun, Marshall!

Raylan Givens: Normally that would be true, except you don't have a shell chambered you idiot. I could draw and fire three times in the time it takes you to rack a round.

<3 Justified. Awesome show.

Interesting subject. There are several fun threads that talk about hollywood/movies gun goofs. I even wrote a paper on the subject in college. Needless to say I didn't go to Harvard

I think in this case as well as other cases it is mostly harmless; even if it is frustrating to hear such nonsense, or funny to see Arnold shooting an endless magazine. I did stop watching "New Girl" when they had an episode where they were shooting a shotgun and the girl was waving it around, unintentionally pointing it at friends, scaring the heck out of them. Apparently this was supposed to be funny, but it made me cringe and I think this crosses the line. A friend of mine actually lived this "joke" in real life when he took his moron girlfriend (now ex.) shooting and when she was done shooting she jokingly pointed the gun at him :banghead:. Granted, he should have done a better job explaining basic safety rules to this dummy as it was her first time shooting, but I can't help but think that hollywood doesn't do anybody a favor when they joke like this. Plus it just isn't funny.

These shows are made for entertainment. While you may see some bias or agenda from the writer, director, or producer in the show, you can also ignore it.

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Exactly, or to get caught up in how if you stream deuterium down one end of a long tube at anti-deuterium in the presence of a specifically-cut dilitheum rystal in the center of that tube, a controllable plasma is created, which when cycled through coils, creates an effect which changes the time-space geometry. And this allows tou to go fast enough through space to make a "woosh" noise. But, where does the plasma go? Is there a condenser? Or, in the face of the energy release of colliding matter & antimatter, that plasma is mostly mesons and leptons.

It is said that, to be successful, good writers, and by extension screenwriters, "write what they know." If that is true, it's clear they know very little at all--but they are absolutely certain of what they do know, even when wrong.

Which is really what makes Justified so good. The characters are real people, not cartoons of hillbillies a la Dukes of Hazard. The writing for the animated series Archer is equally good--largely for being self-depreciating. But being witty while being technically accurate. Both Archer & Justified are out of studios based in Atlanta, too--not NYC or h'wood (or Vancouver).

DeadMoneyDrew said:

with an exchange that went something like -

Dewey Crowe: That pistol ain't no match for this here scattergun, Marshall!

Raylan Givens: Normally that would be true, except you don't have a shell chambered you idiot. I could draw and fire three times in the time it takes you to rack a round.

<3 Justified. Awesome show.

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Given the way he's holding that thing, I sure hope he's not pointing it at his dentist, or he's about to have two problems.
Is it a pistol grip/no-buttstock like it looks in the picture?

I dunno, I think it's just the angle that makes it look dangerous. The shell caddy is probably further from his face than it looks.

It's mainstream media, the same guys who own the news stations, except for some cable channels. Who by the way should stop blowing stuff up every time they shoot a gun at something. It infers to the uneducated that the bullet made that huge explosion.
There are a lot of haters out there and many live in CA, and make TV and movie shows.

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No character, bad guy or good guy, ever walks into a bad situation armed with a shotgun and a shotshell already chambered.

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Indeed, I am always waiting for an unspent shell to fly out when they rack it, as no one would leave themselves in a vulnerable situation needing to chamber a shell.

Thought I would bump this thread after an interesting experience recently. We were watching DVDs a few weekends ago, and somebody had brought Season 1 of the tv show The Shield. I'd never seen this show. It seems pretty decent.

One night I couldn't sleep, so I popped in the disc and watched the pilot episode with the commentary from the directors and from actor Michael Chiklis turned on. Michael Chiklis plays the lead role, a corrupt antihero cop. At one point during the commentary, the discussion turns to how they had intended to have firearms instruction for all of the actors prior to filming the pilot but ran out of money and time. They comment on how some of the actors were totally comfortable handling the prop guns but others were completely out of their element.

Michael Chiklis gives a good commentary about how he has been around guns his whole life. He says something like this:

I grew up in a hunting family in New England. I got my first gun when I was six years old. It was a 12 gauge shotgun. My dad taught me a lesson about handling that gun that I'll never forget. He took me out into a big field, set up a watermelon, and shot it with the shotgun. He then showed me how the watermelon was completely blown apart.

He said, "Son, this is what that gun will do to a person's head. This gun is for hunting. It is not a toy. I don't ever want to see you point this gun at a person. I don't ever want to see you point any gun at a person, not even a toy gun. If I ever see that then you will be in big trouble. You could make somebody's head go away just like that watermelon, and you will be in big trouble. Don't you ever forget that. This is not a toy. You will learn to handle it safely. I'll teach you.

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He then goes on to comment about how different the attitude about guns is in Hollywood.

So not all Hollywood entertainers are anti-gun. I wonder if Michael Chiklis would get involved in any pro-2a stuff? He speaks really intelligently about the matter.

I actually had a chance to have this discussion with one of the producers of Rookie Blue a couple of years ago, he said they weren’t really trying to make a statement one way or the other they were just trying to tell an entertaining story.

We specifically discussed and episode in which “cop killer bullets” played a main part in the story line. He acknowledged that “cop killers” was a myth but said that they decided to let it stand in the interest of advancing the story line.

He actually seemed genuinely interested when I explained the reality of KTWs to him and he incorporated a few of my suggestions into RB. I can’t speak for the rest of Hollywood but I don’t think he was pushing an agenda.

I work in Hollywood. Every show mentioned in this thread is written by left wing statists, it's no wonder the shows are rife with misinformation and propaganda, the people writing the stories are terrified that we have 2A rights. It's not a gun war, it's a cultural war for civil rights. If you choose to consume mainstream entertainment, have to face it, the nation is being brainwashed by the MSM to be anti-gun. For me, the anti-gun movement is only about two things.

1. Laziness - Politicians and electorate are anti-gun because they frankly are too lazy and stupid to do what needs to be done to change society, to change bad people getting a hold of guns. It is much, much easier to blame law abiding citizens and take their guns away, then they can walk away with the self-satisfied smugness that we "did something" about the "gun problem."

2. Control - Politicians want gun control so that they can continue their march to make the American public reliant on the government. It is the ultimate job security, it is a power trip (why else do people want to become politicians?). Can't truly control an armed electorate so let's spend the next decade or two disarming the populace by cultural change, making guns and the people who own them as evil as possible.

Hollywood is never accurate, it is always emotionally based storytelling. No surprise.

GREAT POINTS - all !.

I am disgusted by the B.S. that is shoveled at the unwashed and uneducated to the point that politicians voice this as actually laws, that we all know is a pile of hooey.

Sadly this point is totally ignored as the general public [ read NON SHOOTER ] does not want to be 'confused' with FACTS.

Such as the real meaning of the 2nd Amendment - or the actual gun laws in existence that are MORE than sufficient to do what is needed ,IF [ huge IF ] they were enforced and the criminal was not allowed a "plea bargain" to a point of disgust to the average LEO [ I was one ].

I have had persons carrying sawed off shotguns and STOLEN handguns that they were not allowed to possess as a CONVICTED FELON ===== get a ACD [ adjournment in contemplation of DISMISSAL ].

Meaning they WALK on all charges if they don't do it again for about 6 months to a year - really,this happened .

But hollyweirdo refuses to note that 99% of crimes are committed by CRIMINALS and they walk.That includes the shootings and stabbing that all are frightened to open their door for.

Rant over.