Obama Trying Executive Order to Dis Arm Us Again

HIPAA is little more than tissue paper in all this, and it is emphatically NOT safe to talk to any psych, period. The reporting requirements issue is secondary to the problems created by getting involuntarily committed. Your best defense is to have no history of any mental health treatment and no basis for any diagnosis. So if someone decides to try to commit you there will be no basis upon which to do so. People get themselves into trouble by opening up and generating a history of diagnosis and treatment, after which commitment is not too difficult to achieve.

One more reason to not go to a shrink.

I hope none of you used Zyban to quit smoking.

Never volunteer anything to anyone? Is that the answer to all this freedom hatred?

I'm thinking it may very well be.

Isn't this how the Soviets and the Nazi's worked? We've already got the fed/gov giving money to local LEAs for snitch rewards. Communities are breaking down, neighbors don't know each other, and don't trust each other. It won't take much to make them fear each other. Then the snitch money starts flowing. Your neighbor has a gun? Rat him out for $100. Oh yeah, this is the America I fought for.

beatledog7 said:

Never volunteer anything to anyone? Is that the answer to all this freedom hatred?

I'm thinking it may very well be.

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The problem is, not volunteering information is a very tricky thing.

If somebody asks you "Do you know what time it is?", what is your automatic response?

If you respond by telling them what time it is, rather than a simple yes or no, you have volunteered information beyond what was asked for.

Very tricky indeed...

I wish the article was more factually based, instead it's clear that emotion was the driving force in writing it. I'm not saying it's not something to think about, but I couldn't tell what is actually proposed here.

I work in mental health, and I can tell you it's not easy to committ someone actively wanting to hurt themselves or someone else. They can sit there and tell you for a couple hours what they are planning on doing, then you walk them through the urgent psychiatric center doors and they say they are no longer thinking about it. Well that's all, have a great day, see you later. I see value in strengthening the mental health system.

Follow this link to read the proposed rule changes and comment on this proposed rule change.

Comment here on this proposal

If you respond by telling them what time it is, rather than a simple yes or no, you have volunteered information beyond what was asked for.

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Yes, and even if that seems like a very benign question, we must be diligent. Just about anything can be used against a gun owner, and it's going to get worse.

People need to remember that getting a bunch of diagnosis for minor things that really do not need treatment and thinking you need an anti-depressant cause your girlfriend left etc. also makes it hard to get life insurance in the future.

Whatever happened to picking yourself up by the boot straps and man-ing up?

Im sick of this! Im about stopping preaching and start impeaching!!!!! Gun ammo prices are through the roof,if u can get.Mental health is the issue,not guns.All these punks that mommy & daddy didnt hug them enough are on that ill show them kick.We need to start referring to them are <deleted> cowards instead of by name!!!!!

its legislation like this that is very dangerous......

just from reading the replies in this thread.....its quite apparent.

all this does is prevent people from going to the doctor to get the help they need.

mental illness is an illness just like any other......taking away rights because someone went to see a mental health professional is like taking away someone rights because they sought cancer treatment.

its sad, but laws like these will really only end up hurting more people because it gives people with mental illness one more reason not to go get help.

Where is the EO? Oh, there isn't one.

It doesn't have to be strictly a shrink on your "Avoid Conversations List".

Remember that all patient information will be digitized and available to various as of yet nebulous government people and agencies.

I knew this from the beginning but never seemed to get much of a rise out of folks informing them that.

This places everything ever recorded by any of your physicians in confidence in the past in easily accessed e-copy. Too late where "Letting the cat out of the bag" is concerned.


PS, has anyone here EVER divulged use of illegal drugs or the possibility of addiction to alcohol to their Doc?????

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.PS, has anyone here EVER divulged use of illegal drugs or the possibility of addiction to alcohol to their Doc?????

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I think a lot of folk across the lands have medical marijuana cards.. meaning they smoke dope.

Certaindeaf said:

I think a lot of folk across the lands have medical marijuana cards.. meaning they smoke dope.

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That will soon be of government record with Obama care.

I would like to see how many at the ivory tower league in government have seen shrinks, been given antidepressants, and be the first to have their guns confiscated, as a gesture of goodwill and enduring peace for eons.

Surely governing bodies would be happy to purge their ranks of mentally-ill representatives, who are on any kind of medication that would alter their capacity to function, harmful to the population at large!

The present scourge of proposed laws surely were penned under the influence of mind altering substances?

Or are they immune with a Monopoly pass go and get around the law free card?

What about all members of law enforcement, including our alphabet soup agencies, trusted with automatic weapons? How many of them have sought help and been given anxiety or antidepressant drugs? This is just the tip of the iceberg folks, with those enforcing this rule, guilty of it themselves. Think about the scary possibilities, hypothetical as they all might be!

No reason to go to a shrink, anyway. Years ago (back in the 80's) I went to a shrink during a bad divorce. This chick did nothing but sit there for an hour while she expected me to tell her what's been going on in my life for the last week........ for 135.00 an hour. I finally had enough and told her I could get the same thing from a bartender, who'd atleast offer a suggestion once in a while, and the drinks would be a HELL OF A LOT cheaper!

Where is the EO? Oh, there isn't one.

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True.

I wish the article was more factually based, instead it's clear that emotion was the driving force in writing it.

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True.

Stuff to ponder in there, though. Or better yet, a place to start looking for your own, factual, information.

Never Mind....

The pistol range is my therapy.

As for not seeing a shrink, so see your best friend, family member, priest, or someone else that doesn't hold a medical record over your head possibly with an axe to grind getting you involuntarily committed or too restricted to own a firearm.

Cosmoline's comments were on the money.

Can we have 100 threads about Obama's use of sorcery, witchcraft, EO's to take our guns and eat our children? Doesn't seem to matter that none of that is true.

The names and addresses of those making comments on the proposed regulations will be recorded. Any comment, other than full and complete approval, clearly shows the need for psychiatric care. No sane person can possibly oppose the will of President Obama (may the angels sing His praises and His name resound in the heavens). Hail Obama!

Jim