If you had to take a .22LR rifle to a gunfight...

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But seriously, I doubt the Bad Guy is going to be able to sue you for blinding him if you lawfully used lethal force.

Chances are better than 50/50 you will be sued anytime you shoot someone even if you are 100% legal and they have zero chance to win. Even if the victim dies the family will sue you. If there is even the faintest possibity you did something wrong, the odds go up considerably. If you own any property, or have money in the bank the odds go up considerably. If you are working in LE or for a security company the odds go up considerably.

It can cost you thousands of dollars just to win a lawsuit. These people and their lawyers know and understand this. You shoot someone and a lawyer will be sending you papers. Most people have at least $100,000 in liability insurance on their homeowners policy. Your insuance company lawyers figure it will cost them $75,000 to win your case and will often offer an out of court settlement of $50,000 to the guy you shot. This is what they are after. They really don't want it to go to court, because they know they'll lose. But they know it is cheaper for the insurance company to pay out than defend the case.

The more money you have, or if you shoot someone in the line of duty the city/county you work for has more money to go after. If you are poor, and with no insurance, they probably won't bother.

Regrding RN vs HP. Listen to RC. In a 22 the last thing you want is a hyper-velocity hollowpoint. They are going to blow up on contact and give very shallow penetration. A heavier RN bullet going slower will give much better penetration and reach vitals. Expanding bullets work great on smaller game. A 22 HP might be devastating on a rabbit or squirrel, but very likely will only penetrate 1-2" in a human. Not nearly enough to reach vital organs.
 
Chances are better than 50/50 you will be sued anytime you shoot someone even if you are 100% legal and they have zero chance to win.

I don't suppose you have any numbers, statistics, etc, to support this number?

Also, this varies by states. In some states the law actually prohibits such a lawsuit.
 
How many of you have done something like shooting ballistic gel or even a phone book with these things?

Years (decades?) ago I tried shooting both solid point and HV hollow points into thick obsolete technical books. One shot, then I went through the pages to see how the bullet fared. Repeat until the book was uselesd., and move on.

I was actually kinda shocked at the difference. It wasn't what I assumed.
 
40 grain high velocity solids for me. In a heavy rifle, so I could beat the guy to death if it jammed. And no, that las part wasn't sarcasm.
 
Chances are better than 50/50 you will be sued anytime you shoot someone even if you are 100% legal and they have zero chance to win. Even if the victim dies the family will sue you. If there is even the faintest possibity you did something wrong, the odds go up considerably. If you own any property, or have money in the bank the odds go up considerably. If you are working in LE or for a security company the odds go up considerably.

It can cost you thousands of dollars just to win a lawsuit. These people and their lawyers know and understand this. You shoot someone and a lawyer will be sending you papers. Most people have at least $100,000 in liability insurance on their homeowners policy. Your insuance company lawyers figure it will cost them $75,000 to win your case and will often offer an out of court settlement of $50,000 to the guy you shot. This is what they are after. They really don't want it to go to court, because they know they'll lose. But they know it is cheaper for the insurance company to pay out than defend the case.

The more money you have, or if you shoot someone in the line of duty the city/county you work for has more money to go after. If you are poor, and with no insurance, they probably won't bother.

Regrding RN vs HP. Listen to RC. In a 22 the last thing you want is a hyper-velocity hollowpoint. They are going to blow up on contact and give very shallow penetration. A heavier RN bullet going slower will give much better penetration and reach vitals. Expanding bullets work great on smaller game. A 22 HP might be devastating on a rabbit or squirrel, but very likely will only penetrate 1-2" in a human. Not nearly enough to reach vital organs.
Depends on the stated you live in. Here in Az if the shoot is ruled legal you cant be sued.
 
I'd load up CCI Velociter in a few BX25's for my trusty 10/22TD and be as comfortable as is possible to be trusting in a .22 for defensive use.
 
They are going to blow up on contact and give very shallow penetration. A heavier RN bullet going slower will give much better penetration and reach vitals. Expanding bullets work great on smaller game. A 22 HP might be devastating on a rabbit or squirrel, but very likely will only penetrate 1-2" in a human. Not nearly enough to reach vital organs.

Only penetrate 1-2" ? Come on. #6 shot that weighs two grains a piece will do that.
 
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Should I tell this story or not....??? Yeah, what the heck. Can say much about it but many years ago I was present at the scene of a barricaded man with a gun. The guy was taken out with one shot with a 22 rifle from about 100 yards away. This was back before we had swat teams. Many guys carried 22s in their patrol cars to shoot rats, kill animals hit by cars or hunt rabbits on midnights.

The guy was shooting a pistol out of 2nd floor bedroom window in a two story house. He was hit in the left cheek bone just below the eye and went down like a ton of bricks. The bullet broke his cheek bone went down and broke his lower jaw. It just narrowly missed his jugular vein in his neck and lodged under the skin just above his left shoulder after breaking the clavicle. He was knocked out but the wound wasn't fatal.

I talked to him in the hospital later and he said it felt like somebody hit him in the face with a baseball bat. I certainly wouldn't want to be shot with a 22 (though I have been shot at with one).
 
Depends on the distance, probably Stingers up close. However, we shoot Blazer and Mini Mags at 330 yards with surprising accuracy.
 
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