After the fact bill of sale - What would you do?

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I bought a nice new to me rifle today from a private party - just the way I like it. About 10 minutes later I was at a store on my way home when he called and said he forgot to do the bill of sale, which had not been brought up by either of us previously. He asked for my last name and DL#. Now, as far as I'm concerned, I could have told him to pound sand as this was not part of the agreement. However, I am nice and did not tell him to pound sand.

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I wouldn't do it. He does not need my DL #. He can have my name but that is it. I do show my CCW license at FTF sales. They do not get a copy of anything.
 
I would just tell him you are concerned about identity theft and are not comfortable giving out personal identity information. It is a common concern that has nothing to do with guns. In my case it's also true...I don't want my ID info to go out - unshredded - in the trash with that guy's credit card statements and the like. Nor do I want a scanned copy stored on his PC. It's nothing personal but there is no benefit to offset the risk.


As a side note: If law enforcement were to attempt to trace the gun, the previous owner could identify you fairly accurately to them by phone number and date (and changing phone numbers won't help).
 
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Would you give me your name and driver's license number? Why not? The person who sold you the gun has just as much use for your driver's license number as I do, NONE.

If a person wants me to sign a receipt for something I have received from them, no problem at all.... TV Set, gun, whatever. But giving out driver's license number to record on a receipt is, to say it kindly, less than wise.
 
Oh, and...well, to me this goes without saying but I'll say it anyway:

At the point where you left the story, I would do exactly nothing. I wouldn't call the person back or make further contact at all. Chances are the person will forget about the whole thing anyway. If he called back and asked for my OD again I would trot out my ID theft concerns, but I wouldn't initiate anything.

Let procrastination work for you. :)
 
If he was a C&R collector and sold you one from his collection, he needs the info for his "bound book". (I know that's not likely here)
 
I don't believe that's correct about the C&R licensee needing DL for the bound book.

The reg says:
The sale or other disposition of a curio or relic shall be recorded by the licensed collector not later than 7 days following the date of such transaction. When such disposition is made to a licensee, the commercial record of the transaction shall be retained, until the transaction is recorded, separate from other commercial documents maintained by the licensee, and be readily available for inspection. The record shall show the date of the sale or other disposition of each firearm curio or relic, the name and address of the person to whom the firearm curio or relic is transferred, or the name and license number of the person to whom transferred if such person is a licensee, and the date of birth of the transferee if other than a licensee. In addition, the licensee shall— (1) Cause the transferee, if other than a licensee, to be identified in any manner customarily used in commercial transactions (e.g., a driver’s license), 27 CFR Ch. II (4–1–10 Edition) and note on the record the method used, and (2) In the case of a transferee who is an alien legally...

So a c&r licensee would need date of birth and address for her bound book. She would need to verify the identity of the buyer (see his DL) and note what method he used. That means she needs to write "DL verified", not the DL number.

That only applies if the gun was C&R eligible anyway.
 
I don’t mind doing a bill of sale or giving a receipt, that’s just good business sense. But I don’t give copies of my driver’s license to anyone who doesn’t have a legitimate need. Not even my employer has that information.

I suppose if it came down to it I’d give a copy of my Security License
 
If law enforcement ever did ask, a name, description, phone number, and the statement "he displayed what appeared to be a valid CHL" is all law enforcement needs, more than they're entitled to, and sufficient to cover the seller in my state. I would NOT give out copies of anything, and would not give an address, DL#, or SSN.

My $.02.
 
I would give name but not DL#, after stating that a BOS should have been brought up before the deal not after.

(I like them too and would require it when selling guns that have a 4473 train to me)
 
I want to add also that, as other have stated, the terms of the sale need to be agreed to before the sale takes place. After money and merchandise change hand the deal is done.
 
Thanks, everyone. I think if this situation arrives again, my response will be "I'm sorry, but I'm not comfortable giving out that information." If that means they won't release the gun, oh well. No gun for me and no cash for them.

Long live freedom, long live freedom to privacy.
 
If I am selling a gun to someone, I always do a bill of sale in just a memo form with both of our names and addresses as well as the identification of the firearm being transferred. I make two copies, sign both and have the buyer sign them as well.

If I am buying a gun from someone, I don't even raise the subject or show ID unless specifically asked to.

YMMV
 
CYA measure.

Gun turns out to be stolen, you know where you got it.
Gun shows up at a crime scene and a trace is run, you know where it went.
 
i'd handle this one a bit more delicately. What happens if 6 months from now he sells another gun you just have to have, but he has a bad taste in his mouth from what you do today? Or maybe a buddy of his is selling a gun next time? I agree with not giving out your DL #, as it is an identity theft risk, but keep things very cordial between you and this guy. who knows what other cool stuff he has that you may want later?
 
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Cash for gun and that is it. Never did a BOS in a dozen FTF transactions . Never will. We don't need no stinking paper.

To me it's not a gun thing it's a business thing. If I give you cash over 100$ I want a receipt. If I buy a Kenwood stereo (cost's about the same as some guns) I want a bill of sale. If for no other reason than to be able to claim a value for insurance.

In our litigious society I would at least want a bill of sale stating that when I sold you the gun it was in good working order or listing any known defects and stating that the gun was sold as is with no warranty implicit or explicit So that when you took the Bolt Action .22 I sold you and tried to but a .50 round in it and it blew up in your face you couldn’t come back on me.

As for the gun I sold you showing up at a crime scene, unless the BOS was printed on a newspaper (for the date) I doubt a computer printed BOS would do any good. I’d hand them my lawyer’s card and shut up
 
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i,ve sold very few guns in my lifetime. i have gotten the buyers name and some type of id. if it shows up at the wrong place and is traced back to me, i have something that might keep me out of trouble. in fact, with all the bs going down in dc, i,m thinking about "selling" all my firearms. oh, and my wifes pressure cookers too.
 
Sounds like seller's remorse. I'd tell him you aren't comfortable sharing the information. If he presses, I'd tell him he should have made a BOS a condition of the the sale before the transaction.
 
Would you give me your name and driver's license number? Why not? The person who sold you the gun has just as much use for your driver's license number as I do, NONE.

If a person wants me to sign a receipt for something I have received from them, no problem at all.... TV Set, gun, whatever. But giving out driver's license number to record on a receipt is, to say it kindly, less than wise.
a driver license number is just one piece of information that identity thieves can use wreak havoc in your life. Be very judicious to whom you give it.
 
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