Good News For New Yorkers

I'm glad something positive is finally happening with all these stupid laws. Hopefully the safe act goes away.

Let's see if he still has his job down the road. With the idiot commie Cuomo, anything is possible.


This just brings to mind again those things which I take for granted so much in my state. Earlier today I read about a man who was traveling from Maine to a Southern state and because he was getting very tired, decided to pull off of the road in his SUV and take a nap. Unfortunately for him, he did this in New Jersey. An LEO stopped to check him out, saw something "suspicious" in the back floor, remember he was in an SUV, and had PC to search his vehicle. His guns were quickly discovered, along with hollow point ammunition, a no-no in NJ, and he was arrested. He is now in prison serving, I think, a five year sentence. His life is basically ruined. But if he had just driven another 25-30 minutes, he would have been fine. He was only 20 miles from the Pennsylvania state line.

In my state, this would never happen and if it did, there would be hell to pay by the LEO and his department. We value our freedom and watch our employees in the Richmond statehouse like a hawk. I can come and go as I please, armed openly or concealed (yes, that mode still requires permission) and don't have to worry about any such nonsense. It's just a non-issue down here. I've been next to police, approached them while openly armed when they were on foot and in the car, been in banks with my sidearm fully visible, police stations openly armed, my legislators' offices in Richmond with visible sidearm, and a host of other places. Never a problem. It's good to be free.

That's fantastic! Glad the DA had a pair to stand up to this.

I think intelligent DAs realize any convictions -- if they manage to get one -- will only be reversed on appeal.

Any DA is going to be very careful because they are playing with Pandora's box and they know it.
It is a matter of time before a goon somewhere will persecute and that is good because it will force the other checks and balances. Judge dismissals and jury nullifications are expected with unconstitutional laws.

One thing is sure, the circumstances will put huge stresses in this arbitrary and weak piece of legislation that presents many incongruences from the technical legal perspective and the cracks will get larger and larger over time until it brakes badly.

The Governor and his gang will get their share of shame and blame but they will move on somehow like always in this bankrupt and corrupt state.

Repeal is the only deal.

'Good news' is a relative term.
I am unable to own a handgun because I don't have enough pro-gun referees and I don't want to involve my employer in the decision as to whether or not I should be permitted to own a handgun.
NY is still gosh darned* disgusting when it comes to respecting the constituional rights of its 'subjects'.

*edited to be more high road

May I suggest you swim away from that sinking ship and get a job in a state that respects the Constitution?

I quit my job, sold my house and I am moving out of NY.

I'm older and I don;t have 10 years to wait for this law to wind through the courts.

That's great news! (Especially for him).

Southernboy - I thought we had it good in Maine but your state seems to be a touch sweeter

I feel conficted about your advice, Vern.

From your posts, I know you are a Vietnam war veteran. With Memorial Day weekend upon us, I hate to think of the sacrifices veterans have made for our freedoms, only to have entire states of our republic abandoned as "no-constitution" zones.

Of course, sitting and having your rights abridged in such states is no picnic either.

I'm in a deep-blue state, Washington, with decent gun rights only left over from a diminishing conservative eastern side, and a diminishing populist bent on the western side. I doubt things will get better, but we will fight as best we can that they get no worse.

By the way, thank you for your service, Vern.

WE are in a fight or flight situation. In many states, the conservative elements have not fought as hard as the liberals.

As Plato said, "Those who are unwilling to be involved in government wind up being governed by their inferiors."

Nice. However, here are some exerpts from an article on this:

Columbia County District Attorney Paul Czajka says he won't prosecute a local man charged with violating the NY Safe Act because the man owned the gun legally, had no criminal record and because his own office was spread too thin.

Czajka, a Republican and ex-county judge who handled pistol permits, is the first prosecutor in the state to refuse to prosecute an arrest made under the NY Safe Act, a law championed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, but protested by gun owners.

"I am not intending to make some blanket statement regarding the new law, my decision is discreet to the elements of this particular case," Czajka said Friday, explaining his decision concerning the misdemeanor charge against Gregory Dean Jr., 31, of Hopewell Junction.

Source: http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/DA-won-t-prosecute-Safe-Act-case-4546270.php

While I'm sure there may be an element of politics in this, there is also the very fact that this is a minor violation on the schedule of the DA, who oversees a lot of cases. This man had no criminal record, legally owned his firearm, was involved in no criminal act (other than having a blown light bulb over his license plate). Very minor, indeed, for a DA who has a limited budget and lots of cases to tend to.

RetiredUSNChief said:

This man had no criminal record, legally owned his firearm, was involved in no criminal act (other than having a blown light bulb over his license plate). Very minor, indeed, for a DA who has a limited budget and lots of cases to tend to.

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This would be an ideal case, from our point of view, to take before the Supreme Court. Which means that NY has every incentive to make sure it doesn't get there.

A cynic might suspect that this case was dropped for reasons that have nothing to do with budgetary or manpower constraints.

R

Perhaps this is a point where civil disobedience can really come into play. Say that 10 cars are driving down the road, all with burnt out licence plate lights, all with a pistol in the front seat loaded to 8 rounds. Each one of the drivers backed by the legal teams of the NRA/SAF.

At some point, they will have to take the case to court, lest the politicians start feeling serious heat from gun-control proponents.

I don't think a clearer parallel could be drawn to the actions of Rosa Parks. Civil disobedience to further civil rights.

Civil Disobedience

There is already a significant civil disobedience movement building in the 90% of New York Sate's geography that is not directly in the Cuomo/Bloomberg sphere.

Let them translate that into a revolt at the ballot box and kick the so-and-sos out, and their problems will be solved.

Sgt_R said:

This would be an ideal case, from our point of view, to take before the Supreme Court. Which means that NY has every incentive to make sure it doesn't get there.

A cynic might suspect that this case was dropped for reasons that have nothing to do with budgetary or manpower constraints.

R

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An excellent point of view.

May I suggest you swim away from that sinking ship and get a job in a state that respects the Constitution?

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Yeah. I used to brag that about Colorado. Of course, swimming away is not an option here.

There is already a significant civil disobedience movement building in the 90% of New York Sate's geography that is not directly in the Cuomo/Bloomberg sphere.

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I'm not talking about passive, "I'm not going to register my rifle" civil disobedience... I mean flat out, "Here I am, breaking your unjust laws, arrest me. I dare you." disobedience.

rajbcpa said:

I quit my job, sold my house and I am moving out of NY.

I'm older and I don;t have 10 years to wait for this law to wind through the courts.

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I'm not a resident of NY but was born there.. good honest hard-working folks should leave these sinking ships.. the un-American cities will destroy themselves further

2014 = election year

I am of the firm belief that many elected employees [ politicians ] know that next year is an election year.

They also see the way the PEOPLE are reacting to the idiotic law that the Gov saw fit to ram home illegally.

I am very happy that a leading D.A saw fit to pass on this 'law' and see JUSTICE done ,instead.

I live [ for now ] in NYS and believe this is the start of a new view of the law and a review of it.

I will wait and see as I have a year to get outta Dodge,before the law is set in stone.

While I hate the thought of this guy getting prosecuted, the quickest way to eradicate this idiotic law is going to be a with a test case.

Same-o same-o.

Pass a law completely contrary to their constitutional limits of power and it's enforceable until some poor schnook gets caught up in its entanglements and has to take time and money to bring it through the court/legal process to have it nullified. Which may take years, even decades. And beaucoup legal tender.

And don't you think legislators at all levels of government (as well as in regulatory agencies promulgating regulations under that law) are well aware of this "loophole?"

It basically gives them carte blanche to write any laws they want to, and the heck with that crumbling old piece of paper written so many years ago.

Go ahead, mods, delete this.

But think about it before you do.

Terry, 230RN

this is funny I put this up in a post almost a week ago and no one responded . go figure