NY Proposes a Law Exempting Retired LEO's

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What about military? I have fired enough rounds through my issued side arm to have the barrel changed twice. Why should a cop be exempt?

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There are several reasons, one of which is they lobby better than you do.

As a retired NY peace officer, I'll offer this: when I retired, my agency made me get rid of every pistol I owned with the exception of my duty weapon. They were able to hang this sword over my head for not complying: You require what is known as a "good guy" letter from your agency when you retire in order to get a pistol license. This says you're not crazy, weren't kicked out, and were in gun carrying status when you retired, thus eligible for a concealed carry license. No letter, no license.

So now you only have your service gun when you retire. Don't know if all agencies did this, but mine did. Officers were pissed that the one gun they allowed you, the magazines were now not compliant. By the way, in my agency, I had to buy all my own equipment, including weapon, magazines, carry ammo, etc.

While I realize many civilian shooters are highly trained, LEO's are documented in their training, have for the most part shown some restraint over their careers, have a working knowledge of the law, and are thought by some to be an asset to law enforcement even while retired.

So, not saying it's right, but there you have it. And to get back to my first comment, they know how to lobby, which is really what it's all about.
 
There are several reasons, one of which is they lobby better than you do.

As a retired NY peace officer, I'll offer this: when I retired, my agency made me get rid of every pistol I owned with the exception of my duty weapon. They were able to hang this sword over my head for not complying: You require what is known as a "good guy" letter from your agency when you retire in order to get a pistol license. This says you're not crazy, weren't kicked out, and were in gun carrying status when you retired, thus eligible for a concealed carry license. No letter, no license.

So now you only have your service gun when you retire. Don't know if all agencies did this, but mine did. Officers were pissed that the one gun they allowed you, the magazines were now not compliant. By the way, in my agency, I had to buy all my own equipment, including weapon, magazines, carry ammo, etc.

While I realize many civilian shooters are highly trained, LEO's are documented in their training, have for the most part shown some restraint over their careers, have a working knowledge of the law, and are thought by some to be an asset to law enforcement even while retired.

So, not saying it's right, but there you have it. And to get back to my first comment, they know how to lobby, which is really what it's all about.
This is the first time I've ever heard of an NY LEO having to go through this, and I've known a few. May I ask which department you worked in or what part of the state you operated in? I'm trying to understand the legality of this action or rationale for that matter (and your union signing off on it as well).

Regarding documented training on firearms, you could say the same for those of us in the military. True, you do have knowledge of the law, and a track record of restraint if someone wants to look through it...but where in the Constitution does it say you need all of those to exercise your 2nd amendment rights?

I personally have no issues with encouraging retired LEOs to CCW. As you mentioned above, they are highly trained (generally), and have a lot of experience to bring to the table. I feel safer when they are around. I do however take issue with a state that wants to infringe on the rights of everyone else while giving preferential treatment to one of its critical voting blocks.

LEOs should stand with the rest of the citizens in the state as a show of solidarity, and not let Gov Cuomo think he can pick and choose who he wants to have Constitutional rights.
 
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Once retired there should be no more "extra" rights. You are just an ordinary citizen. There are way too many classes of extra rights.

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It's quite simple and a hallmark of NE big city socialism. DIVIDE AND CONQUER the sad part is that these entitled retired LE don't seem to realize that once the objectives are met they will lose their rights as well.
Do retired cops in well controlled foreign countrys get to keep their duty weapons?
 
Rumor has it the law was passed with a 2AM vote. Same as the un-SAFE Act. Cuomo really has the legislature under his thumb.
 
There are several reasons, one of which is they lobby better than you do.

Lobby better? Better of course is a pretty subjective word. Can't imagine they spend more money on lobbying than say the NRA.

Lobby better, might mean...they are a sacred cow, just like education, meaning what they ask for they generally get...or at least get fair consideration.
 
There were also quite a few NY State LEOs voicing their displeasure and disgust with the bill signed by Gov Cuomo. This is a great way to pander to a critical block of his constituents while at the same time helping to quiet the amount of dissent in the ranks.

A smart move by a career politician who possesses no integrity whatsoever.
 
I'm a retired cop as well (thank heavens, not from NY....). Watching these kind of developments from afar simply confirms for me that such places always involve "special privileges" of one sort or the other. In the seventeen years since I retired out (from one of those states that has real cause to regard former NY officers, retired or not, with a bit of skepticism....) I haven't had to ask for one special privilege -since there just aren't any at all that I'm aware of.

Any time a state, federal, or local government starts making laws that immediately need special exemptions - that law or laws shouldn't be on the books... But that's just my opinion and after all I'm a guy that would never be allowed to sit on any juries -not ever!
 
All these talking points are true but one hasn't come up yet about retired LEO's!
There is a culture of vendetta against them by criminal elements when they are released from prison.
As a retired LEO I am always looking over my shoulder because of this element. I am by no means paranoid but the fact is that it does happen.
 
All these talking points are true but one hasn't come up yet about retired LEO's!
There is a culture of vendetta against them by criminal elements when they are released from prison.
As a retired LEO I am always looking over my shoulder because of this element. I am by no means paranoid but the fact is that it does happen.

No one is saying police retired or otherwise shouldn't be allowed to protect themselves. We are saying....they should not be the only ones allowed to protect themselves.

When we come up with excuses to protect "special classes" then we have utterly and disastrously strayed off the correct course for a free nation.
 
The fact is at some point in all of our lives we may end up in the sights of someone with a vendeta or have to carry large sums of money or have to live in less than a secure area or, you get my point.
No law should single out a protected class like LE and give them a superior right than any other American. That stands for the most part in most of our states with the exception of those in line with New Yorks thinking.
 
I was not trying to put people in certain classes but trying to show some sort of reasoning there (Yes I know there is no reasoning with NY legislature).
I am a firm believer in our constitutional rights for everyone.
 
All these talking points are true but one hasn't come up yet about retired LEO's!
There is a culture of vendetta against them by criminal elements when they are released from prison.
As a retired LEO I am always looking over my shoulder because of this element. I am by no means paranoid but the fact is that it does happen.
you watch to many movies
 
There were also quite a few NY State LEOs voicing their displeasure and disgust with the bill signed by Gov Cuomo. This is a great way to pander to a critical block of his constituents while at the same time helping to quiet the amount of dissent in the ranks.

A smart move by a career politician who possesses no integrity whatsoever.
yea right. that is why they set up a hotline with a $500 reward for ratting on someone with an banned gun
 
I am a firm believer in our constitutional rights for everyone.

The state and Federal governments are not. They are firm believers in more power for their agents and rewarding loyalty by making them more equal than other citizens.
 
All these talking points are true but one hasn't come up yet about retired LEO's!
There is a culture of vendetta against them by criminal elements when they are released from prison.
As a retired LEO I am always looking over my shoulder because of this element. I am by no means paranoid but the fact is that it does happen.
I don't disagree with you, however soldiers also get targeted in the states. We haven't seen too many documented cases of this, but you can recently recall the attack in England where a religious fanatic practically beheaded a soldier in uniform walking down the street.

An extreme example for certain, but cops are not the only targeted group out there.
 
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I'm a retired cop as well (thank heavens, not from NY....). In the seventeen years since I retired out (from one of those states that has real cause to regard former NY officers, retired or not, with a bit of skepticism....)

what is that suppossed to mean? come right out and say it, stop beating around the bush.
plenty of active and retired leo come to ny for vacation and get treated professionally.
even you.
 
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I don't disagree with you, however soldiers also get targeted in the states. We haven't seen too many documented cases of this, but you can recently recall the attack in England where a religious fanatic practically beheaded a soldier in uniform walking down the street.

An extreme example for certain, but cops are not the only targeted group out there.

I don't even think he was in uniform. I thought he simply had a shirt honoring some sort of charity for wounded soldiers
 
Heck bankers who forclose on homes, employers who fire or lay off workers, teachers and admins who expel students the list could go on indefinately, that is whats wrong with laws like this and when a right is denied and someone suffers for it the lawmakers head should be on the block for it.
 
There is a culture of vendetta against them by criminal elements when they are released from prison.
So they get special permission to defend themselves while the dirty commoners are left hanging?

Gee, I wonder where the "us vs them" mentality comes from?

Retired leo's should enjoy the same rights as any other law abiding citizen and no more.
Exactly. If retired cops want to be able to carry and/or carry modern weaponry, then they can lobby for EVERY CITIZEN or they can shut up.
 
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