Chopped an older H&R single shot to 20" and re-installed orig bead

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I have mixed feelings about having cut such a neat, old, long barrel, but:

I cut down the 34" barrel on this old H&R single-shot, break-action 12 gauge shotgun, because the gun was neither rare nor expensive. I wanted something simple, akin to a coach gun, or an old-fashioned 'camp defender'. I do own and shoot several different pump shotguns, one of which with it's 30" full choke vent rib is as long as this H&R was before I lopped it short... so I still have a bird and trap gun.

Thanks to Macchina's thread where I first asked about chopping the barrel on this used $100 single shot, there were several replies.

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mio

I'd leave that one the way it is but thats just cause i like having stuff thats a bit unusual. Always makes me smile when im hunting with friends and when i get my gun out they are like "what the heck you got there"?


mio had some humorous and sage advice that I could not ultimately follow.

I originally purchased this nice old H&R with the thought of chopping it down to a 20" length but the super-long original barrel gave the gun a fine vintage appeal. I did agonize over cutting what might be an uncommon 34" barrel length (typically, the longest might have been 32") so I had a tough time deciding what to do. The following replies, the original purchase price and the original folly were finally considered. :p


mio (in reply to Macchina)

chopping it was the right call. i have a NEF 2ga that i cut down to 18.25" and its ideal for woodcock and snowshoes. I've been using it for about 5yrs now and anytime im going to be in the real thick stuff i grab it.
LUCKYDAWG13

when i was a kid i had in old single shot that i cut down to 20"
in old Newport wish i still had it
351 WINCHESTER

Cut it and it will be good for up close and handy to boot.


Alrightythen!

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Thanks to a friend that has some serious metalworking tools in a small shop I have worked in before, I was able to pull this off. I used a bandsaw to cut almost 14", then a disc sander that had a perpendicular fence... careful not to get the barrel too hot, I used water to cool it after each brief pass, turning the barrel once per pass. I chamfered the outside diameter by hand on a small belt sander. I used a small swivel reamer on the i.d. I might have used some sandpaper too, but didn't... then when I got the barrel home to my garage, I applied some cold blue in two doses to the bare metal on the new muzzle.

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The original bead was reinstalled using a .700 twist drill held in a good drill press and the barrel in a machinist's vice, then I cut new threads using a 2-64 tap in a pin vise... working slowly and carefully, the job was successful. It might not be perfect, but as they say, "it's good enough for the girls I go out with...".

Haven't shot it yet, but I'm looking forward to it. I expect it to kick hard. I'll report back when I do!

Thanks for looking! and I appreciate any and all replies. :)
 
I would've left it a couple of inches more barrel since the single-shots are so compact anyway, but it looks like you did quality work. :)

John
 
I like it.
I'd also like to hear more about those beautiful pressure lanterns and stove in the pic.
You can PM me, if you like. I also collect those.
I have one of the Vietnam issue military lanterns like you show, 3rd from right in the top pic.
Also collect the old blow torches.
 
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Thanks, JShirley. I wondered after it was all said and done, "what would a 21" barrel have looked, handled and shot like?" lol. Oh, well. :eek:


Jaymo, briefly, and because perhaps another might ask the same question, I collect mid-century Coleman lanterns and stoves. I should say, "I have a collection", meaning: "I don't need any more!" Hahaha... the items sitting on my bench are a portion of my collection.

They are, from left to right:

'47 Speedmaster 500 single-burner stove
'53 Model 249 (kerosene) lantern
Date-unkown (might be late '50s) Model 237 Empire (kero or naphtha; will run either) lantern
'52 Model 252 Mil Spec (naphtha or leaded)
'63 (red) and '67 (blue) Coleman-made-for Sears Models 476.74070 (sold with the pre-'63 changeover, Model 228 "big hat" early-ventilator top style used since the late '20s.)

And, Jaymo; I do have a clean old Clayton & Lambert blowtorch... I run it from time to time but only after checking the pip on that NRV-style checkvalve!

Thanks again! fellas... I appreciate your replies. :)
 
Great job!

At least you didn't follow all the expert internet advice about using a pipe cutter to cut it with!!!!

You done good the way you did it!!

rc
 
Sometimes I see a firearm that really sings to me like that one.
One more project on my horizon.

Nice job!
 
I wouldna cut a scarce 34" single shot barrel but if I did it'd be to 18 (& 1/16th) inches. Without choke that Flite-Control stuff might actually serve a valid purpose for a truck gun.
 
I was also going to comment on the nice collection of lanterns...since they look like they all have fresh mantles, I guessing they all still work as advertised?

Nice job on the shotgun.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
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Thanks, rc!

lol @ the pipe cutter... hee!

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MattShlock

I wouldna cut a scarce 34" single shot barrel but if I did it'd be to 18 (& 1/16th) inches.

I would not have, either, if I lived in a region any closer to upland game hunting. And, again since the gun is neither rare nor expensive, I cut it. I did agonize over the decision for a couple of weeks. Went back and forth... It really was a lovely gun, originally, but too specialized. I've turned it into a handy, hand-held cannon; quite crude, but effective for close work. Still need to pattern it.

I considered an 18" cut... others have done that, but the gun doesn't look too well-proportioned that way. As I've also already said, I wondered after the fact what a 21" barrel length might have looked like. Probably nicer, but now I'm splitting hairs over asthetics. Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch is shown shooting a 20" and reloading from a sidesaddle in a youtube video linked in another thread; that was good enough for me! :p



Leon, thanks! Yes, the lanterns and stoves (there are more!) all work and run as well as new. That's the beauty of a mid-century Coleman appliance; they were the best of their kind. You can find one little-used at an estate sale; one that was purchased in 1948 or 1953 or whenever... pull it out of the basement, rinse out the fount (tank), oil the pump leather, inspect the generator (the brass tube which when heated with mantle heat turns liquid fuel into vapor), hang some new mantles on it, and bingo! it's a runner, and often for much less than what they cost new today (a 2-mantle "liquid fuel" (white gas/naphtha-fueled lantern). And they're much more pleasing to the eye. I consider them some of the finest industrial art of the 20th century. They certainly don't make them like they used to!

:)
 
You did a good job. It's not the decision I would have made but I'm sure you will be happy with it.
 
I like the shotgun. Looks more business like with the short barrel. Very nice lanterns too. When I was a kid Dad bought a Tilley that burned kerosene. Never did get it to burn right, but it sure was pretty.
 
That's beautiful work, I'm sure you didn't hurt the value in the least bit, those old, utilitarian shotguns, are stacked in the local pawn shops here, for nominal amounts. They're great deal IMHO, especially the older H&R Toppers. The work you did looks amazing, I cut an older topper down to 18.5", but have procrastinated putting a bead on it, since I only had 80 dollars in it, but this thread has encouraged me to give it a shot. BTW I always wanted to collect old lanterns, but all I own is a cheap Asian Cold Blast. That's a great looking collection. I think it'd make a good truck, or camp gun. There was an interesting article in The Backwoodsman a couple of months back about the handiness of a short single shot, and an example of a NEF, or H&R (can't remember) that'd been threaded for interchangeable chokes (can't remember what make/model the chokes were for originally).
 
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Thank you, DNS, mgkdrgn, Deltaboy, mio, 351 (Win-dsor? Hee!) and whetrock... (and anyone else I failed to mention) I appreciate your replies. :)

I'm gonna go see how this thing patterns paper later today... going to try various brands of 00 buck, then a slug or three...

351, is that Tilley still hanging around somewhere? I could point you in the direction of a few guys who know those lanterns well and could troubleshoot it for you. Additionally, what often happens is that most folks experienced in running white-gas-fueled lanterns overlook a kero-burner's requisite pre-heat with methylated spirits/alcohol and the lantern's generator never gets up to temp.

:)
 
I think you did a great job. I am thinking about something like that for a "truck gun."

As has been previously said, amazing collection of lanterns and a great stove. I am impressed. I am trying to work on something like that myself. I have a number of older Kerosine lanterns that I love.

If you know of a great place to purchase the older lanterns please PM me.

Let us know how it shoots! I really want one... same gauge just like it!
 
Slug gun. Would have used a pipe cutter then drilled and tapped for the bead, myself. Pipe cutters work just fine, RC. Mind you, a lathe is better. A band saw doesn't cut straight.
 
I've got a soft spot for old shotguns, single shots and bolt actions especially.
You did nice work. It looks like a factory job.
I was thinking about doing just that to my barn gun, a 1930's J.Stevens 12 ga single. It fires fine but looks real ugly and has no collector value left anymore so...........................................
Around the homestead the lack of a choke would not be too much of an impediment. The main purpose is varmint control.
 
My first gun was a 20ga H&R single shot. I don't I could cut it down. too many memories.

Heirlooms don't have to be valuable.

Jim
 
Nice job, not to bad to look at, be sure you got all the shars from the inside of the end of your barrel. A pipecutter is what most smiths use to cut off a barrel, and hones stones tappered to crown the end of the barrel.I myself let my second son do this to an older family H&R single. It looks about the same, at first I came unglued at the idea. Then I thought about, it was his now! So why not! Remember federal law states 18" from reciever to end of the barrel, and it must have a sight.
 
My Dad gave me his a few months back and after patterning it, I found the barrel to be significantly bent (about 30% of the pellets within an 8" area around the POA at 20 yards shooting 7 1/2 birdshot). The gun was purchased a few years back and has absolutely no sentimental value (he found out the barrel was bent on the first day and it's slept in the safe ever since). The result was a chop to 18.5" and a steel peep sight I made and installed. I modified the rear sight after these pictures to be a half-halo (cut the top off) to allow smoother loading in case the barrel isn't open all the way. It's shown with a bead front sight, but I later modified it to a custom fixed aluminum ramp sight that I regulated to 2.75" slugs and 3" 00 Buckshot at 30 yards:

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I refinished the wood and ended up installing a recoil pad after a few of the slugs...
I really like the gun now. It's an excellent cheap shooter that is perfect for dense woods when anything from woodcock and rabbit to squirrel.
 
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I did the same to an H&R 12 ga. years ago. It wasn't a goose gun though, just the standard 26" or 28" I think. I then took it out and ran a 3" mag., I thought it was a cool idea until I tried shooting 3" mags with one hand, ouch! I even the 2 -3/4" bird shot shells were extremely painful to shoot with one hand, stupid idea of mine.

GS
 
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