New Executive Actions?

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That Daily Caller post is a real load of poo. Wonder where he got ANY of his facts?

"By Mike Piccione
Published: August 29, 2013 4:12 PM

The White House announced on Thursday that it intends to “ban almost all re-imports of military surplus firearms to private entities” through executive order, which would effectively shut down the 110-year-old Civilian Marksmanship Program.
Again, NO IT WOULDN'T because the role of the CMP is NOT selling rifles.

The CMP tightly controls the importation of obsolete military weapons.
WHAT? The CMP controls importation? Really now? :rolleyes:

Participants receiving firearms through the CMP must comply with all state and federal firearm laws and undergo a background check conducted by a dealer holding a Federal Firearms License in order to receive the gun.
A dealer, huh? Is that so? :D Sheesh, the misses keep on coming!

The rifles that the Executive Order would affect are typically from U.S. allies and are pre-Vietnam era. Without the importation of these rifles, the CMP is likely to become defunct and thus destroying a 110 year tradition of saving military arms and their civilian ownership."
Likely to become defunct? Look, selling rifles has been a known dead end since probably the 60s. They've known they'd eventually run out of military surplus rifles they could sell to civilians since most of our parents were young folks. If this does have any direct effect on CMP it is only to close off avenues that were drying or dead anyway.
 
I think the last notable use of the M1 Garand for criminal action was at Kent State in May 1970.

Yep, i remember that one well. There was that photo of a girl kneeling over the body of a student.
 
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The girl in that Kent State photo kneeled over a student who was reportedly almost a mile from where the protestors were throwing bottles at those nervous young soldiers.
 
I am guessing this means that the fast and furious guns can't be brought back to the US!
 
Soooo what happens to those items people already have on a trust? Grandfathered?
 
As USSR seems to have proven, the CMP's future acquisitions of Garands is exempt from our
King's decree. But if any real numbers still exist in certain countries, will the likely perception by collectors that the CMP could be affected, create a run on them which might not stop?
 
What is he banning from import anyway??
I was of the understanding the state department was preventing the importation of the Korean Garands and M1 carbines. Most of the surplus military arms being imported these days were all foreign military issued so what does that leave to ban?

The only thing I can currently think of would be stuff that was part of the WWII Lend-Lease programs like S&W Victory model revolvers and .303 Enfield rifles both of which are the weapons of choice in drive by shootings and bank roberies!!
I haven't seen this question answered. The consensus seems to be that CMP is excluded. So what weapons are affected by this? Does anybody really know?
 
Soooo what happens to those items people already have on a trust? Grandfathered?

Grandfathered? Grandfathered from what? Once a weapon is transferred to a trust, the ATF doesn't deal with it again until another transfer is filed. It's not a ban, it's a change in policy that the ATF has been talking about for several years. The new requirements will only affect future transfers to trusts.

Not sure exactly what they're gonna do about their backlog of paperwork though. It will be interesting to see if all the transfers that were submitted (but not approved) before the rule change get put into problem status because they don't have fingerprints/photos.
 
Obama’s new executive order will kill the 110-year-old Civilian Marksmanship Program

Obama’s new executive order will kill the 110-year-old Civilian Marksmanship Program
http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/29/ob...nship-program/

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The White House announced on Thursday that it intends to “ban almost all re-imports of military surplus firearms to private entities” through executive order, which would effectively shut down the 110-year-old Civilian Marksmanship Program.

In a Fact Sheet published on Whitehouse.gov today referencing the upcoming executive order the ban on importing military weapons is designed to “keep military-grade firearms off our streets.” Exceptions for import may be allowed for museums.
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The Civilian Marksmanship Program was administered by the United States Army from 1916 through 1996 when it was changed to the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety, a 501(c) (3) organization federally chartered by the U.S. Congress.
 
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That Daily Caller post is a real load of poo. Wonder where he got ANY of his facts?
+1. So many errors in that piece, I don't know where to start.

Don

The problem is, if they weren't sold out before, they certainly are now. Another gov edict driving reactive demand. I bet CMP was completely cleaned out today, regardless of this being misinformation.
 
a) it won't kill the CMP. it only stops their sale of rifles. they might possibly have to seek some additional funding, but it's not like they're dead. they still get income from the matches they host.
b) it's an extremely pathetic last ditch effort to "do something" after he was totally shut down by the voters. he may regret it as half the media will point out that he's done nothing more than stopped antiques that no one ever uses in crimes
 
It might be better to directly link the White House's so-called "Fact Sheet."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...eet-new-executive-actions-reduce-gun-violence

he may regret it as half the media will point out that he's done nothing more than stopped antiques that no one ever uses in crimes

We need to make sure that the media picks up on this. I will also be immediately writing to all of my elected officials. I have a feeling that after you read the "Fact Sheet," you will be doing the same.


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I just read the NON-fact sheet , OMG my head is going to pop ! Congress failed to act ???? keeping machinegun's off the street ??? common-sense ???? loopholes ??? do these people even have a TV or PC :banghead: thanks for the post I will be passing the link on to everyone in my E-mail list !
 
I don't think CMP ever has or would receive guns reimported to them. The way I understand it, the CMP ONLY receives guns from the Army and perhaps other US armed services, or from private domestic donation. The Army recieves the guns back from foreign government return.

Now there are private importers too that can and have reimported surplus US guns from foriegn lands. This would screw them, but I don't think it would have any effect on the CMP at all. I don't believe the CMP ever buys surplus guns from anyone.
 
OK, so what exactly does this mean? will anything change in the market? What about all the older semi auto SMG's and such?

And now a Class III dealer can't use trusts anymore to transfer NFA weapons?
 
Aren't a lot of the carbines in Korea M2 carbines, and thus fully automatic? Or were those just not included, and M1's listed only?
 
I don't think CMP ever has or would receive guns reimported to them. The way I understand it, the CMP ONLY receives guns from the Army and perhaps other US armed services, or from private domestic donation. The Army recieves the guns back from foreign government return.

Now there are private importers too that can and have reimported surplus US guns from foriegn lands. This would screw them, but I don't think it would have any effect on the CMP at all. I don't believe the CMP ever buys surplus guns from anyone.
the way I read it , all the US. gun sold or loaded to other country's will not be coming back here , BO is saying we don't want them, you keep them ! not the Army , not dealers , no one , we don't want them on are streets , "he says" just keep them , sell them to some one else ... hey .. maybe sell them to the Taliban, what a moron,...... dose he think if we don't take them they will just melt them down ? good news is whatever he signs can be unsigned by the next guy , it's just an order not a law, his POWER is only good for as long as he is in office. every time he goes around congress it is just a temporary setback
 
First thing that came to mind when I read about Obama's latest attempt to stomp the 2A was that my Mosin just jumped up a few places on the priority list. If he succeeds, they will skyrocket in price more so than they are now.
 
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