Aren't all 1911 owners Romantics?

mattm0691 wrote,
And no 1911 that I've ever shot has as good a trigger as a really nice Smith and Wesson.

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Just to clarify, you are saying you have S&W double action revolvers that have double action trigger pulls better than any 1911 you have ever fired?

mattm0691 said:

That is an impossible comparison to make, obviously. It would be far more reasonable would be to assume that I meant the single action trigger on an SW, as that is what a 1911 and a Smith have in common.

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This is the internet. If you want to be easily understood, please assume you must write clearly what you mean.

mattm0691 wrote,
That is an impossible comparison to make, obviously.

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Your assessment is correct.

The S&W double action revolver trigger is not as good as the 1911's trigger. That's why we keep telling you there are few, if any pistols, that have a trigger as good as the 1911.

You seem to keep going around in circles. You asked if all 1911 owners are "romantics". We, well many of us, said no, that the 1911 is a very capable defensive pistol that has something not offered by other pistols.

You said...

mattm0691 wrote,
There are plenty of other single action only pistols that can accomplish a similar or better trigger. There are many other .45 platforms. There are many more accurate pistols. So why?

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to which we responded...

JTQ wrote,
So what's on your list of single action, .45ACP pistols, that are more accurate than the 1911?

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tarosean added
and with a better trigger?????????

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There aren't many (or any) single action pistols that have a better trigger than the 1911 or are more accurate. As 1911Tuner said much earlier in the thread,

Since accurate bullet placement is the key...especially with a pistol...the 1911's single-action trigger and the big ol' fat, heavy bullet offers the best chance of that desideratum.

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romantic don't fit me....just know 41 years ago when I needed mine, it saved my life, I own several and love them. the first one I shot as a 19 year old grunt was probably from WWII, it was better than chunkin a rock. just bought my latest, a Ruger SR1911 with 5" barrel....love it, wished I could afford a fancy one, but the ones I got work real good.

Slim form factor, potentially excellent trigger, excellent controllability for a powerful round. What's not to like?

I will say that the Gov't Model is heavy enough that it's more comfortably carried on a proper gunbelt than a trouser belt, and the 5" barrel pinches the cheek worse than Aunt Rose, but that's why God invented the Lightweight Commander.

mattm0691 wrote,
I don't understand your point. Taking a romantic view on something is hardly negative. There are more capable and practical .45 platforms. There are pistols with better triggers than 1911s. I have made it clear through the entire thread that I appreciate and own 1911s. I'm sorry if I've been unclear on anything but I am afraid that you must have misinterpreted something that I have said.

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I don't think we have. I think we get you like the 1911, but you may appreciate it for different reasons than many of us do. You may be one of those that have a romantic attachment to the 1911. That's fine, but not "all 1911 owners are romantics". Many of us don't appreciate it for romantic reasons, we appreciate it for the function of the pistol. Something we believe other guns can't match.

When you say...

There are more capable and practical .45 platforms. There are pistols with better triggers than 1911s.

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Many of us disagree. We like it because we don't believe there are more capable, or practical options, or pistols with better triggers. That's what we are saying.

I get why you may prefer a high capacity, polymer pistol in .45 Auto. You may have a need for those features and value them above the features of the 1911. Many of us on the other hand value the features of the 1911, not for romantic reasons, but for functional ones. It doesn't mean we are wrong, but I think it does disprove your theory that "all 1911 owners are romantics".

Over the years, I have taken new shooters to the range and let them shoot, 1911's, HK USP 45's and Sig 220's. Guess what, they all liked the 1911's better and went on to purchase a 1911.

1911's just feel and look good. The old saying, "If you look good, and feel good, you work good.

what makes it the most practical and capable platform out there?

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Tunability, ergonomics, size.

The 1911 is a package deal. There is not, IMO a single feature that makes that type of handgun the best for me or for others who choose it.

Would a straight male marry a woman only because she really fills a sweater? Or her IQ was 200, even though she looked like Obama? Or any other single feature? I will take a chance to suggest that such is not likely.

There are a combination of features that make the 1911 what many of us choose for defensive use.

mattm0691 said:

For the sake of further conversation, and so that we can be unfettered from misunderstanding, what do you feel is an unmatchable quality of the 1911, and what makes it the most practical and capable platform out there? I am going to drop the trigger issue because that is subjective, and I believe that it has been made clear that we disagree.

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There are several other choices in .45 platforms. I don't really think you'll get more than heated, opinionated viewpoints arguing ad nauseum over all the particulars of one over another. Some will be founded on hard facts, and others will be founded on personal biases.

I have a Colt 1991A1. I bought it because I wanted a .45 ACP, I like that form, and it was affordable.

But it's not my only gun. I have two other pistols, three rifles (well, two, if you don't count the one that ended up my wife's), and two shotguns.

And these aren't likely to be all that I'll ever own, either.

Each one has a particular set of reasons as to why I bought it, and they aren't the same between any two.

Technically speaking, none of my guns are of "unmatchable quality". None of them are the "most practical" and none of them are the "most capable".

I'm sure any one of my guns could be outmatched in quality, especially as I'm not into high end custom guns.

And no matter what I might think about my guns as being the "most practical" or "most capable", they will always be someone else out there who would contest that as well.


The bottom line is I like my Colt 1991A1 simply because I like all the aspects I find positive about it. Doesn't mean I won't buy something else in .45 ACP.

I guess the Marine Corps is a romantic then. Of all the pistols in the world they chose to go back to the 1911.

They must be. Considering that they only let 1911 style pistols into the competition.

-Dan

Well I for one, just simply don't have the hand to comfortably grip a double stack. After holding a 1911 with slim line grips, I'm considering buying a set. Feel in the hand matters much to me.

what do you feel is an unmatchable quality of the 1911, and what makes it the most practical and capable platform out there?

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Choices.. With exception of AR's nothing else is produced by so many different manufactures.

You stated you liked hi capacity, you can buy double stack 1911's in 18+1 in 45acp.
You want polymer? you can get that too.
You want a 3" 9mm. yep you guessed it.
From the 22LR to 50AE you can have it.
Full length rails? or partial?
etc.
etc.


Everyone chooses their particular firearm of choice for their own personal reasons. Its not romance its individuality.

Personally, I am both a bit of a romantic and a 1911 owner (and borderline diehard).
I like and shoot 1911s because they are the pistol that I find fits me best both physically and mentally out of all the guns I've ever handled.

but I will be looking at non-1911s as well as LW commander types for use as a CCW in the near future. a full sized all steel 1911 is a slight bit on the heavy side.

They must be. Considering that they only let 1911 style pistols into the competition.

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The point was that one can not "Go back" to anything which one has never abandoned or moved on from. the units that are being issued the new Colt "rail gun" variants were never issued the M9. The Precision weapons shop starting building the first batches of what we think of now as "MEU(SOC) pistols" for force recon back in 1985, and while the M9 was adopted by the US in '85 like all such transitions there was a period where the M9 and M1911 were both still issued.

the New colt rail guns chosen to be the next batch of "M45A1 Close Quarter Battle Pistol" are not a case of "Going back" to anything, the new colts are replacements for 1911s previously issued to the same units. due to the majority of the older MEU(SOC) pistols having been continuously rebuilt on frames made prior to the end of WW2, they gotten to the point where rebuilding them was no longer cost effective.

the pistols in question are VERY limited issue they are NOT going to the marine corps at large (which is still using the M9). and the Marines are NOT ditching the M9.

So what's on your list of single action, .45ACP pistols, that are more accurate than the 1911? and have a better trigger?

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Pardini GT-45. (And I own an STI and a Les Baer as well).

Four pages of comments and not one of you guys realize you were being TROLLED. Well done, Mr.Troll.

Four pages of comments and not one of you guys realize you were being TROLLED. Well done, Mr.Troll.

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how?