I've officially reached the end of the Internet...

I'm sure this thread won't last long, but I agree. The website ammunitiontogo has gone the way of cheaperthandirt.

I picked up a bunch of the 9PBLE (+p+) stuff for about 60 cents a round too...

The next big thing in ammo packaging will be mag capacity specific reloads of 'magic bullets' at $3.00 bucks each!

That will cost you $51 bucks to fill a Glock 17 mag with 'Glock 17 Specific' magic bullets!!!

rc

For those who don't know what the OP's talking about, this ammo used to be sold in a 50 round box for the same price.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemDetail.aspx?sku=AMM-4061

Detergent companies made their bottles smaller, price stayed the same. Ice cream companies have done the same thing.

sidheshooter said:

Ferris Beuller and Duran Duran years

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Ah, those were the years. Granted, I was in elementary school then, but I miss those days. Particularly the music. Yeah, I said it.

I must be getting old, I remember when a pound of coffee weighed a pound.

You could always do what a lot of us have done, start casting. I ran the numbers yesterday just for grins and came up with less than $7 for a box of 45acp and that was using todays pricing on primers and powder.

Foto Joe said:

You could always do what a lot of us have done, start casting. I ran the numbers yesterday just for grins and came up with less than $7 for a box of 45acp and that was using todays pricing on primers and powder.

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Yep, or if you don't want to cast there are commercially cast bullets. A commercial bullet is usually the major cost of a hand loaded round, but I can still load any of the popular semi auto calibers (380 Auto, 9mm, 40 S&W, 10mm and 45 ACP) with my cast bullets with 2-5¢ for powder, 3.5¢ for a primer and 5¢ for a bullet. The cases are essentially free and my equipment was fully amortized years ago. Plated bullets are maybe 13-15¢ each and jacketed can run a good bit higher. Your $7 figure is quite realistic.

If you're an avid shooter, rolling your own is the way to go and the equipment can easily pay for itself in relatively short order. Ammunition shortage? What ammunition shortage?

I must be getting old too, I can remember gasoline wars and 11.9¢ per gallon.

It seems that gouging never goes out of style. Nothing like kicking someone when they are down.

Don't think that people willing to pay high prices for ammo has gone unnoticed by the ammo companies.

That particular store may be high priced, but just the fact that the ammo company itself is packaging them that way tells you something.

Once the ammo shortage diminishes, we may find that things are definitely not the same.

Speedo66 said:

Once the ammo shortage diminishes, we may find that things are definitely not the same.

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I don't know what happened to ammunition prices after the last "great shortage" passed since I essentially don't buy factory.

As far as components went, Golden Saber 180 Grain JHP bullet went up in price and currently Golden Saber bullets are 2.5x their previous pre-panic price. The same is true for other bullets ... prices went up but never came down. The same general trend can be seen in new unfired cases. To a slightly lesser extent, the same is true for powder and primers.

From my perspective as a dedicated hand loader who maintains his stock at certain levels, prices of all things related to ammunition are generally not like gravity: what goes up; seldom comes down.

this may be a little OT but ill use a gun to help the analogy. in 1964, a Colt 1911 retailed a little under $70.00

If you were to take $70 face value of 1964 silver quarters and sell them at melt value today, you would get around $1200 USD paper money, which is what it would take to buy a Colt 1911 these days.

These guns and ammo haven't gone up in price or value, our money has just become more and more worthless.

These guns and ammo haven't gone up in price or value, our money has just become more and more worthless.

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THIS. ^

Unfortunately, our salaries have not kept pace.

sidheshooter said:

Look at this. Federal's classic 9bp, now re-packaged 20 to the box, for over a buck a round.

Old timers here will undoubtably know why I feel this way.


:banghead:


http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/20rds-9mm-luger-federal-115gr-jhp-ammo

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There is no need to :banghead:. To hunt upland game with old classic doubles in no lead zones hombers are paying $100 per 25 shells. Sport or recreational shooting like upland game and safaris is becoming wealthy mans sport.

pikid89 said:

These guns and ammo haven't gone up in price or value, our money has just become more and more worthless.

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Except this stuff was selling at half the cost it is now not 30 years ago, but 30 days ago.... Inflation doesn't cause that drastic of a change that quickly.

ku4hx said:

I don't know what happened to ammunition prices after the last "great shortage" passed since I essentially don't buy factory.

As far as components went, Golden Saber 180 Grain JHP bullet went up in price and currently Golden Saber bullets are 2.5x their previous pre-panic price. The same is true for other bullets ... prices went up but never came down...

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Same thing happened with a sugar cane blight in the 70s. Candy prices soared and never retracted. I was a kid and it had a very profound effect on me!

9BP has been packaged in 20-rounders for some time now. But this is the first time I've heard of them priced at a buck a round. I think I paid $14.97 for it ~6-8 years ago. (I still have it, some of it loaded into magazines.)

The sad truth of the matter is; it's both inflation AND free enterprise at work. For those of us who can remember parts of the late 60's and 70's, Richard Nixon took many a beating for "de-valueing" our currency. Since his time it has become the norm for the government to order the Federal Reserve to supply more fiat currency so that the politicians can spend it on what ever they think will get them reelected. Our founding fathers placed a prohibition in the original documents prohibiting the government from issuing paper currency. Unfortunately in 1913 the banks concocted a scheme to circumnavigate that prohibition for their own benefit and we are the folks who get to experience the results of that as well as our heirs. It will no doubt become a failed experiment on a global scale because as Mr. Ponzi so aptly proved many generations ago it can't be sustained.

As far as the "Free Enterprise" portion of my comment is concerned, we the customer have the ultimate power in that regard. I personally attempt to minimize my participation in the current "rush" on products by producing my own. We all have choices and none is inherently wrong but whether or not "you" choose to pay what you think is too much is ultimately up to you. If you decide to pay the price you have accepted the "ask" and as such should deal with it.

And with my normal closing in posts such as this: I shall now go lay down by my dish.

For those who don't know what the OP's talking about, this ammo used to be sold in a 50 round box for the same price.

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Another who remembers when that sold for under $10/box, around $7.99 on sale

It seems that gouging never goes out of style.

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No such thing - you do not HAVE to buy that product from them

No such thing - you do not HAVE to buy that product from them

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Unless you do.

The M said:

Same thing happened with a sugar cane blight in the 70s. Candy prices soared and never retracted. I was a kid and it had a very profound effect on me!

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Like I said, it ain't like gravity.

Since the beginning of time people have tried to make a buck. Caveat Emptor wasn't translated to Latin by a product analysis guy in the 20th century. When my brother was in high school he would take the mulberry wood cut out of fence rows, split it and take it to White county to sell bundles of five or six pieces for $3 at the various campgrounds. Far more than scrub wood was worth then or now but if the tourists were willing to pay that much for it where is the dishonesty?

While a dollar a 9mm round is high... it's not the only game in town (or the internet.) There is an old saying that a fool and his money are soon parted. I blame the fool, not the merchant.

The ammo companies will look at it as detergent companies. Dont look at you are getting less bullets for the same money look at it as you are buying more concentrated ammo.