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I am thinking about making my 1st batch of ed's red this weekend and I can't seem to find any information on if it is safe to let small gun parts soak in the solution for a while?

The reason I ask is because the acetone scares me a bit and I don't want to run the risk of ruing my Shotgun bolt, ar bolt, and k98 bolt. I think the k98 bolt is blued and the ar bolt is some other finish, but I am pretty sure the shotgun bolt is painted finish on it.

So just to play it safe I was probably going to make the version of ed's red without the acetone and just to double check to make sure the K-1, Mineral Spirits are not going to ruin any finish if you let the parts soak for a while.
 
You do not need the Acetone but it will not hurt bluing anyway. It is primarily for shotgun shell residue and the lacquer used on some Russian ammo. See (E) in bold below.

Ed's Red
As a general bore cleaner, plastic wad remover, and carbon solvent the following formula, a creation of C.E Harris, and dubbed "Ed's Red" works quite well. In fact many folks claim it is better than anything they've tried. The original formula is:

1 part Dexron II, IIe or III Automatic Transmission Fluid - GM Spec D20265 or later
1 part K1 Kerosene
1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits federal spec TT-T-2981F (CAS# 64741-49-9) or Stodard Solvent/Varsol
(CAS#8052-41-1)
1 part Acetone (CAS#67-64-1)

Formula Addendum

It has been reported that methyethylketone/MEK (CAS#78-93-3) can be satisfactorily substituted for the acetone if desired.

It has been reported that Turpentine can be satisfactorily substituted for the Mineral Spirits if desired. The original Frankford Arsenal formula upon which Ed's Red is based used turpentine rather than mineral spirits which were substituted for lower cost. Turpentine also tends to leave a gummy residue.

It has been reported that Kroil penetrating oil can be satisfactorily substituted for the kerosene if desired.

It has been reported that the lower numbered "JP" jet fuels can be used in place of kerosene.

It has been reported that Goo-Gone (a commercial citrus based solvent) can be satisfactorily substituted for the mineral spirits if desired.

It has been reported that commercial automotive "engine flush" can be substituted for the ATF (but you lose the red color).

For each gallon of Ed's Red produced you can also add 1 pound of anhydrous lanolin (CAS#8006-54-0), which helps to neutralize fingerprints but it's really not necessary and current formulations generally omit it. You can also leave out the acetone but then it doesn't remove plastic wad fouling or penetrate as well. Store in airtight chemical-proof containers as the acetone, if used, will evaporate. Two sources for bulk anhydrous lanolin are http://www.selectoils.com/item--Lanolin--SO-Lanolin.html and http://www.thesage.com/ .

According to Ed, "Ed's Red" will flow at -65oF and won't carbonize at 600oF. It has seen use by both the FBI and the Army Marksmanship Training Units.

MIXING INSTRUCTIONS
Mix outdoors, in good ventilation. Use a clean 1 gallon metal, or chemical-resistant, heavy gage NFPA approved plastic gasoline storage containers. Do NOT use light weight, thin, high density polyethelyne (HDPE), which is breathable, because the acetone will gradually evaporate. Don't use PVC containers as they will dissolve. A possible online source for metal 1 pint and 1 quart screw top metal containers suitable for storing Ed's Red is http://www.taxidermy.com . This site appears to be some sort of frames based design that does not allow you to link directly to containers, but you can find them via the following site links Products | Molding and Casting | Containers, Cups and Tools. The Blitz USA line of approved gasoline containers can be obtained at Auto Zone, Home Depot, Walmart, Target, and other retailers and are what I use. (www.blitzusa.com).

Add the ATF first. Use the empty container to measure the other components, so that it is thoroughly rinsed.

You can divert a small quantity, up to 4 ounces per quart of the 50-50 ATF/kerosene mix for use as an "Ed's Red-compatible" gun oil. This can be done without impairing the effectiveness of the mix.

INSTRUCTIONS FOR USING
a) Insure that the firearm is unloaded and that all magazines are removed. Cleaning is most effective when done while the barrel is still warm to the touch from firing. Saturate a cotton patch with Ed's Red, wrap or impale on a jag and push it through the bore from breech to muzzle. The patch should be a snug fit. Let the first patch fall off and do not pull it back into the bore.

b) Wet a second patch, and similarly start it into the bore from the breech, this time scrubbing from the throat area forward in 4-5" strokes and gradually advancing until the patch emerges out the muzzle. Waiting approximately 1 minute to let the bore cleaner soak will improve its action.

c. For pitted, heavily carbon-fouled "rattle battle" guns, leaded revolvers or neglected bores a bronze brush wet with bore cleaner may be used to remove stubborn deposits. This is unnecessary for smooth, target-grade barrels in routine use.

d) Use a final wet patch pushed straight through the bore to flush out loosened residue dissolved by Ed's Red. Let the patch fall off the jag without pulling it back into the bore. If you are finished firing, leaving the bore wet will protect it from rust for up to 30 days. If the lanolin is incorporated into the mixture, it will protect the firearm from rust for up to two years.

e) Wipe spilled Ed's Red from exterior surfaces before storing the gun. While Ed's Red is harmless to blue and nickel finishes, the acetone it contains is harmful to most wood finishes and it could damage some plastics if left in prolonged contact.

f) Before firing again, push two dry patches through the bore and dry the chamber, using a patch wrapped around a suitably sized brush or jag. First shot point of impact usually will not be disturbed by Ed's Red if the bore is cleaned as described.

It has been reported that when Ed's Red is used exclusively and thoroughly, that hot water cleaning is unnecessary after use of Pyrodex or military chlorate primers. However, if bores are not wiped between shots and are heavily caked from black powder fouling, hot water cleaning is recommended first to break up heavy fouling deposits. Water cleaning should be followed by a thorough flush with Ed's Red to prevent after-rusting which could result from residual moisture. It is ALWAYS good practice to clean twice, two days apart, whenever using chlorate primed ammunition, just to make sure you get all the residue out.

Thanks to Jim Dodd for the above instructions

An unusual use for Ed's Red. Several correspondents report that an application of ER to an ant hill, especially fire ants, kills 'em dead.

Also, Ed's Red is very penetrative and makes a superior penetrating oil for loosening rusted parts. In fact in some testing by a machinist's magazine a couple of years ago it beat all the commercial products by a wide margin. A dedicated ER penetrating solution can be made by just using a 50-50 mix of ATF and acetone.

A historical note about Ed's Red. When Ed Harris first cooked it up, it exceeded the then current Mil Specs for bore cleaner and CLP. Ed and a cohort were able to test it at a defense contractor's quality lab after hours with chrome-moly and stainless samples provided by Kreiger Barrels.

Eds Red Plus
This variation on the Ed's Red formula gives it a copper removing ability similar to the commercial bore cleaner Marksman's Choice MC-7. You will need:

11 ounces of basic Ed's Red
2 ounces of 10%-20% industrial strength ammonia
2 ounces of Rustlick WS-11 cutting oil or suitable alternative
1 ounce of Murphy's Oil Soap

Mix the oil soap and ammonia in a separate container. In a suitable 1 pint container containing 11 ounces of Ed's Red, add the cutting oil and mix together. Then add the oil soap/ammonia mixture to Ed's Red/ cutting oil and shake the container to mix the ingredients. You will end up with a pink opaque liquid that for the most part remains in solution, but some components may settle out over an extended period. It is always best to shake well before using. The resulting solution will remove mild copper deposits in bores if allowed to work about 15-20 minutes.

Water soluble cutting oils and rust inhibitors can be obtained online from http://www1.mscdirect.com/cgi/nnsrhm or locally from your industrial supplier. NAPA auto stores carry a soluble oil listed as NAPA Soluble Cutting and Grinding Oil," part number SL SL2512. Metal screw top containers can be obtained from http://www.taxidermy.com under | Products | Molding and Casting | Containers, Cups and Tools.

Thanks to Bill Mecca for this information.
 
I have been using it for a few months now. I have blued, stainless, and nickle. I have had no issue with any of it. I still can't quite bring myself to use it on my polymer guns with the exception of my hi-point and it seems to do fine on that as well.

I wouldn't get it on my wood stocks. It does have a tendency to soak in.
 
I would not use it with acetone on anything painted, take the acetone out of the mix and it is fine.
 
I keep two versions handy, one with, and one without, the acetone. I view the version without more as a lubricant than a cleaner. Acetone should be safe on blued, parkerized and stainless steel. But as a solvent, it would remove paint, and shouldn't be used on wood.
 
I know I'm kinda late on this thread but I have a question:
I mixed up a batch using the first formula (ATF,Mineral spirits,kerosene, & acetone) and I find that there is a separation of oil on the bottom of the jug. When shaken the oil suspends for a while but eventually settles out. Is Ed's Red supposed to be cloudy? Is it supposed to have oil settled out on the bottom? I just want to be sure I have the right formula.
 
You could make a half and half mix, that's what I'm going to do! If figure one for hard cleaning the other half for storage use

Hellgate: you might have the earth friendly version of the spirits. Was it milky when you poured it? That could be the problem since its water based
 
Ed's Red

I have used it exclusivly for about 5 years. My son mixed one gallon and I have used the cans that contained the mineral spirits to store it and also used empty Hoppes #9 containers to make it easier to handle. The formula we used also listed liquid lanolin as an optional ingriedient for making it a little bit easier on the skin.

It works fine for cleaning my Mosin Nagant's bore after shooting Eastern Bloc ammo with corrosive primers. The only corrosion I had was the cleaning rod which I neglected to clean.:)
 
PretzelXX,
You may be right. I am NOT "earth friendly" and leave a big carbon footprint wherever I go . I am suspicious there is a layer of water in the bottom of my jug. OK. how do I get rid of the water layer? Add more acetone which is water soluble? Or should I just dimp the whole mess (It's about a pint total)?
 
Tried the original mix and have since found that for just cleaning, the ATF and an equal part of acetone works just as well.

If you wanna use the kerosene and mineral spirits great, but from my experience the ATF/Acet. mix works just fine without them, at least for cleaning purposes.

I would never use it on a painted surface though and it's strictly a bore cleaner for me.
 
PretzelXX,
You may be right. I am NOT "earth friendly" and leave a big carbon footprint wherever I go . I am suspicious there is a layer of water in the bottom of my jug. OK. how do I get rid of the water layer? Add more acetone which is water soluble? Or should I just dimp the whole mess (It's about a pint total)?

I've heard it works better with military surplus ammo. Add a squeeze of liquid dish soap and shake it before you use it, and that should help it out. What you could also do is get like a turkey baster and get the water out. That might be a solution, cause the acetone evaporates if left open I believe and you don't want to get rid of that.
 
I'm starting to like ATF more all the time. Especially when I learned that whale oil (sperm whale?) was the original ATF and shortages forced us to find a synthetic substitute for a very fine high temp oil. Maybe the acetone ATF mix is what I need. I'll look into the turkey baster/pipette extraction method. Thanks, guys. It is nice to share brilliance.
 
Another vote to just leave the acetone out. Mine does not contain it and works wonderfully on everything I need to clean. I am a huge convert to Ed's Red.

I would advise wearing good Nitrile gloves when working with any solvents. When I do use acetone for degreasing, the Nitrile gloves work just fine and do not melt. They are a great investment, really protect your skin, and are rugged and last a long time.

Lou
 
The acetone is there primarily to remove any plastic build-up from the barrel, i.e. shotguns. It is not really necessary for most applications.
 
Tried the original mix and have since found that for just cleaning, the ATF and an equal part of acetone works just as well.

FWIW, ATF and acetone is a common recipe for penetrating oil to loosen rusted nuts from bolts. No reason that it shouldn't loosen crud from a gun barrel.
 
Next time you clean your bore with Hoppes or whatever you use, run a patch dipped in the ATF/Acet. mix afterwards and I think you'll be surprised as to how much crud it pulls out of a "clean" bore.

Works even better than Kroil.
 
"Next time you clean your bore with Hoppes or whatever you use, run a patch dipped in the ATF/Acet. mix afterwards and I think you'll be surprised as to how much crud it pulls out of a "clean" bore."
I'll do that. I use Kroil alot for cleaning but it's spendy.
 
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